The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[Kysaiana]

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH. Where they're coming from? I donno, probably people getting them in exp pts and selling them to goldsmiths rather than bother with a fire path weapon. I've been farming flame geodes whenever firesday lines up with my play time, and even with TH7-8 killing over 100 mobs, I'll sometimes get 0. That's less than 1% drop rate on day. It's just the random number generator, and if you get 1 geode or 3 or none at all it's just dumb luck. You can not say you'll get 6 geodes on a day ever. Not solo anyway.

Let's put it this way, if Strength was based on the water element instead of fire, no one would be complaining about the lack of fire weather. Aqua geodes are a dime a dozen. They can be farmed actively in the Alzadaal undersea ruins at any time, and rainy weather is extremely common. So common, in fact, that it is the bane of anyone's existence that tries to get an Ark Pentasphere. If Strength was based on water instead of fire, aqua geodes would be expensive, but at least people could farm them if they so chose. Please note I'm not asking for strength to be based on water, I'm just using it as an example of how fire weather should be and how unbalanced it is. I highly doubt when SE first designed the zoned they envisioned good melee weapons being based on the frequency of fire weather.

[Theytak]

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH.

No, he's pretty much just flat out trolling the thread. I won't deny that there are always a fair amount of flame geodes up on siren, but we also have some pretty weird players.

[Fupafighter]

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH. Where they're coming from? I donno, probably people getting them in exp pts and selling them to goldsmiths rather than bother with a fire path weapon. I've been farming flame geodes whenever firesday lines up with my play time, and even with TH7-8 killing over 100 mobs, I'll sometimes get 0. That's less than 1% drop rate on day. It's just the random number generator, and if you get 1 geode or 3 or none at all it's just dumb luck. You can not say you'll get 6 geodes on a day ever. Not solo anyway.

Let's put it this way, if Strength was based on the water element instead of fire, no one would be complaining about the lack of fire weather. Aqua geodes are a dime a dozen. They can be farmed actively in the Alzadaal undersea ruins at any time, and rainy weather is extremely common. So common, in fact, that it is the bane of anyone's existence that tries to get an Ark Pentasphere. If Strength was based on water instead of fire, aqua geodes would be expensive, but at least people could farm them if they so chose. Please note I'm not asking for strength to be based on water, I'm just using it as an example of how fire weather should be and how unbalanced it is. I highly doubt when SE first designed the zoned they envisioned good melee weapons being based on the frequency of fire weather.

Lol. Ok. Have they proven TH helps with timed drops like beastman seals or crests and such? Was under the influence TH didn't help geodes. Thf kills slow. That's why you're having issues. Go on an actual DD and try again.

[scaevola]

Lol. Ok. Have they proven TH helps with timed drops like beastman seals or crests and such? Was under the influence TH didn't help geodes. Thf kills slow. That's why you're having issues. Go on an actual DD and try again.

Actually, Geodes/Avatarites are NOT timed drops; at least not 5-minute timed drops like seals/crests.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/106...=1#post4948526

It was blink-and-you-miss-it testing but that now-broken image was a screenshot of two breeze geodes in Nynja's treasure pool.

Anyway, if you're geode farming specifically (which you are), you're targetting mobs between 60 and 80, on which a THF is perfectly free to sub WAR, ride berserk with cheap food to cap attack, and totally obliterate as fast if not faster than any two-hand job.

[Luvbunny]

So basically we are getting a flat out NO! answer from developer. Pretty much ignoring the fact that it is a big problem. Really.... I mean, I understand it is summer and everything, but seriously they should hire more people to work there. FFXI is one of the last few remaining subscription based MMORPG out there... and the most profitable for SE, they should be able to hire an entire team for this.

[Mathieu]

I get about the same number of fire geodes on Firesday as I get any other type on the respective day with no weather, so 1-2 in the whole day, occasionally I get none in the whole day, regardless of the type. The lack of fire weather, not the drop rate is the problem. As far as I've seen, they work exactly like every other geode under the same conditions.

However, rarity isn't the issue. Take a look at the AH history. Flame Geodes are consistently one of the most common type on the AH and they are still the most expensive by a long shot. Yes, they are harder to get, but people farm them because they are so expensive.

The issue is with demand. Fire weapons are too consistently useful to too many jobs, while most of the other elements are only useful to a few jobs, and, even then, might only be useful for very specific situations that everyone that plays that job might not encounter. The only way to fix the prices is to make the other elemental weapons more appealing. If more jobs had viable options other than fire, the price would go down on flame geodes because not every other person would go for them.

Even if they increased the amount of fire weather, I really doubt the price would come down. The current supply is mostly coming from people that specifically farm them. Unless fire weather was absolutely everywhere, the price isn't going to drop much. If the price isn't high enough to motivate people to specifically try to get them to sell, then they are going to become rare, which will keep the price up. The stable price point might go a little lower, but I doubt by that much.

[Demon6324236]

I disagree. If people had a more reliable way to farm them prices would fall and less people would resort to buying them, they would still be the most expensive, but they would not be 5 times higher than the next most expensive geode on the market! Thats how I believe it should be, if you want to farm you have the option, reasonably, however if you want to throw gil at people there should be a good amount to buy at the same time. To me, this fixes all the problems there are with it currently.

[Fupafighter]

No. Thf in no way can compete with any 2 hand DD in solo situations. Fact. And that image isn't working. I'm assuming that there was an alliance in play. You can get 1 geode/ite every 5 minutes PER alliance. SO you can get 3 in 5 minutes. Otherwise I have never seen a x2 in 5 minutes.

[scaevola]

No, it was Nynja and two mules; one party.

[Kysaiana]

No. Thf in no way can compete with any 2 hand DD in solo situations. Fact. And that image isn't working. I'm assuming that there was an alliance in play. You can get 1 geode/ite every 5 minutes PER alliance. SO you can get 3 in 5 minutes. Otherwise I have never seen a x2 in 5 minutes.

I posted earlier in this thread that I've personally gotten 2 geodes in under 5 min in a zone with weather, it's uncommon but it happens. After farming geodes on several different jobs, I'd have to agree TH doesn't seem to matter. I've tried on pup blu thf and drk. I had the same general kill speed/number by the end of the game day and the same average of geodes, 1-2 with the occasional 0.

If there's a timer at all, it's not 5 min, and I doubt logging out would do anything but lower your kill speed since I've personally had no geode drop for the first 30-40 mins of a firesday before. Not to mention the times were 0 dropped at all. "Timers" aren't the issue with geode farming on days, it's the piss poor drop rate.

So again, people aren't asking for flame geodes to be cheaper (at least I'm not), we're just asking for fire weather to be as common as the other 7 weathers.