The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[Aldersyde]

Lol you can solo fistule on bst.... Can get all 50 in a day. So your argument is invalid. When you compare the upgrade armageddon gives compared to Ukon, you will see that Ukon is outstanding. Atleast with cor, you can do well with last stand if you don't have armageddon. Without Ukon, warrior is basically garbage. For F's sake, you can kill the yellow custard and hold the other NM until fistule spawns and you really won't have competition either for fistule. Does anyone here know anything about how to kill efficiently lol?

You can get 50 of any upgrade item in one day if you're determined enough. What's your point? Abyssea is Abyssea, nothing is hard so to speak any more. Fistule is a far bigger cockblock nm than any of the others, however, that's why it's a more annoying path. Fistule is on a 15 to 20 min timer, which means it will pop 3-4 times an hour if the player or the competition is killing reasonably fast. That's 3-8 fistule discharges per hour, per server. Other nms, including glavoid, have a far greater potential per sever to yield more upgrade items per hour depending on the efficiency of the players in the zone as there's 3 ??? and you can pop them whenever. Competition slows down your progress far more than on other paths because of the timed pop condition. So, if you lose a pop, you and your friends get to stand around with your thumbs of your asses while waiting for the next fistule. There is no 'efficiently' killing fistule. You're always constrained by the timed pop condition. That's why it's more 'difficult', which is to say it's annoying.

I noticed you only looked at half the farsha path as well and didn't even consider Bukhis, which to put it mildly, is a cocksucker, and cannot be soloed on bst (unless Xilk finally succeed in doing so). I've seen shouts in PJ that went on for hours in which people wanted help with Bukhis. No, he's not 'hard' but he wastes a lot of peoples' time, just because of his full dispel move (which includes atmas) that makes multiple people trudge back to the atma infuser after every fight.

So ya, you're still wrong (surprise, surprise). There's no correlation between 'difficult' paths and awesome weapons (see also dagger and polearm).

No one's being lazy about flame geodes. If they were, they wouldn't being asking for more consistent weather so they could go farm them themselves. That doesn't exactly scream laziness.

[Mirage]

aluh + eva dagger sounds more like something that you could attain

Eva dagger currently isn't very useful. I'm saving my flame geodes for a fire sword to use on blu.

[Nawesemo]

/facepalm....

[FrankReynolds]

I got 75 dragua scales in one night. Vere is clearly a shitty weapon. lol

[Fupafighter]

You can get 50 of any upgrade item in one day if you're determined enough. What's your point? Abyssea is Abyssea, nothing is hard so to speak any more. Fistule is a far bigger cockblock nm than any of the others, however, that's why it's a more annoying path. Fistule is on a 15 to 20 min timer, which means it will pop 3-4 times an hour if the player or the competition is killing reasonably fast. That's 3-8 fistule discharges per hour, per server. Other nms, including glavoid, have a far greater potential per sever to yield more upgrade items per hour depending on the efficiency of the players in the zone as there's 3 ??? and you can pop them whenever. Competition slows down your progress far more than on other paths because of the timed pop condition. So, if you lose a pop, you and your friends get to stand around with your thumbs of your asses while waiting for the next fistule. There is no 'efficiently' killing fistule. You're always constrained by the timed pop condition. That's why it's more 'difficult', which is to say it's annoying.

I noticed you only looked at half the farsha path as well and didn't even consider Bukhis, which to put it mildly, is a cocksucker, and cannot be soloed on bst (unless Xilk finally succeed in doing so). I've seen shouts in PJ that went on for hours in which people wanted help with Bukhis. No, he's not 'hard' but he wastes a lot of peoples' time, just because of his full dispel move (which includes atmas) that makes multiple people trudge back to the atma infuser after every fight.

So ya, you're still wrong (surprise, surprise). There's no correlation between 'difficult' paths and awesome weapons (see also dagger and polearm).

No one's being lazy about flame geodes. If they were, they wouldn't being asking for more consistent weather so they could go farm them themselves. That doesn't exactly scream laziness.

Dude. Whm and thf can duo bukhis no problem if you don't suck complete ballsack. The key items are easily farmed out of gold chest if needed too. Want some advice? Keep 3 shadows up.

[Nawesemo]

/double facepalm

[Demon6324236]

Dude. Whm and thf can duo bukhis no problem if you don't suck complete ballsack. The key items are easily farmed out of gold chest if needed too. Want some advice? Keep 3 shadows up.

Dude. Rdm and thf can duo glavoid no problem if you don't suck complete ballsack. The key items are easily farmed out of gold chest if needed too. Want some advice? Stun Disgorge

No really though. No Abyssea things are really that hard, Glav & Chloris are easy, they are just time taking because of KIs. Guess what else is easy and time taking? Flame weapons. No one is saying they are hard to make, people are saying that Fire Weather and the obtainment of Flame Geodes are unbalanced due to weather problems and supposedly drop rates on them.

[FrankReynolds]

Dude. Rdm and thf can duo glavoid no problem if you don't suck complete ballsack. The key items are easily farmed out of gold chest if needed too. Want some advice? Stun Disgorge

No really though. No Abyssea things are really that hard, Glav & Chloris are easy, they are just time taking because of KIs. Guess what else is easy and time taking? Flame weapons. No one is saying they are hard to make, people are saying that Fire Weather and the obtainment of Flame Geodes are unbalanced due to weather problems and supposedly drop rates on them.

I think he's just really hoping for someone to go off on him and start cursing and posting memes.

[Fupafighter]

Same concept. Glavoid takes alot longer to farm than carabosse. Same can be said about itzpap. What I don't understand is how people have issues with this. I mean all the energy you have spend trying to bitch me out and make your point more clearer than I already see it, could have been invested in getting your weapons instead lol. Are you all not farming these because geodes are too hard, or are you just finding something to yell at SE for. They know you don't like this, but since it's already easily obtainable by 95% of the player base, it's a working system to them. You're better off dropping this whole concept of changing weather and just doing it and moving on. It's just pure laziness. I could probably sit down and go to every zone and farm certain things and find 5-10 things a day that are "unbalanced". This isn't "unbalanced". If anything, it worked out in SE's favor.

[Demon6324236]

I know hes trolling, I just hope that if SE is paying attention that they see what we are asking for, rather than what he is saying we are whining about. I mean, I think SE is a good company for alot they do in gaming, but I highly doubt that 10 years ago they were sitting around a table, and knew the time where Fire weather would be used for something very good, so in return they made all Fire weather rare. Its not like weather is new, its not like they could have predicted this when they made it, saying that its rare because of balance or anything of the sort is nothing short of a load of BS seeing as there is no way they planed for that. The best trials for the most part are Fire, but there are other good ones as well with extreme ease, such as Light, Dark, Ice, and Wind, all of which have their own areas that have near constant weather and easy to farm geodes.

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A:Same concept. Glavoid takes alot longer to farm than carabosse. Same can be said about itzpap.
B:What I don't understand is how people have issues with this. I mean all the energy you have spend trying to bitch me out and make your point more clearer than I already see it, could have been invested in getting your weapons instead lol.
C:Are you all not farming these because geodes are too hard, or are you just finding something to yell at SE for.
D:They know you don't like this, but since it's already easily obtainable by 95% of the player base, it's a working system to them. You're better off dropping this whole concept of changing weather and just doing it and moving on.
E:It's just pure laziness.
F:I could probably sit down and go to every zone and farm certain things and find 5-10 things a day that are "unbalanced". This isn't "unbalanced". If anything, it worked out in SE's favor.

A:Except as you point out, you can do Gold Chest farming, and guess what? Thats any time you please, Fire is not so lucky, Fire trials are based on either a once every 8 hour day, or a randomly occurring weather of which has a low rate when compared to other weathers in the same zones. During these times you have the same freedom as a player who is doing an Emp weapon.

B:I tend to post in this after Fireday because I do most of the time try to farm a couple here and there when possible.

C:This isn't hard, Ill say it again, not hard! It is simply much more limiting than other types of weapons due to weather.

D:We are better off giving feedback on the game we are playing in order to attain a more playable and enjoyable game. 95% of the playerbase is not able to obtain these weapons, or if able, many choose not to. You see, many players make Emp weapons due to their ease, those who have not the time or groups to do such a thing, make fire weapons. How many people really play this game though and are not able to obtain an Emp? From what I have seen, and know, there are not all to many who can not make an Emp, yet still make a Fire trial weapon.

The most common reason for the inability to make an Emp is lack of time, if this is the case, you are not easily going to plan around a 1 hour time period of a game, or want to spend what time you have waiting in an area for a weather to appear. Now if you have no group or linkshell, you may have the time and/or money to obtain the Geodes, and kills, and this lets you get a Fire weapon. However from my experience, most players who play alone, also dualbox to make up for the lack of others, and this allows for the making of Emps which most players seem to do, again leaving Fire weapons alone.

A short way to say it is Fire Weapons may be able to be made by alot of people, but alot of those people can also make better weapons, such as Emps or Relics, and often do not bother with Fire weapons due to this.

I cant help but think that since Mythics were a failed attempt to make a weapon group for more casual players, and Emps are still hard at times for casual players, that they would not take Fire, the least potent of them all, and make them easy enough to fit this category easy.

E:How is it lazy? Its not that people dont want to work for the weapon, its that people dont want to be so limited on when, or how, they can work to obtain them. I gave the list of areas with common weather, as I said, no place for Fire weather, that is a problem. Fire is the only path I can think of that I have seen people shout for a party during the day for it. Its also the only path I can think of I have never seen anyone camping an area for weather to do.

F:You probably could, but you know what? Most things like that are either for a quest that not many players do, or is not very rewarding, and thus not very noticed. This however is for trials, very relevant to the current game, very rewarding, and very often done by many players, as such it is noticed and it is brought up. Just because something works out in someones favor does not always mean its a good thing and should be kept.