The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[Ophannus]

God forbid people can't pay a few mil for practically the best offhand weapon for damage for almost every job in the game. People QQing about paying 2-4m for flame geodes is like complaining that Dusk Gloves+1 were too expensive or that Haubergeon+1 was too expensive. If you don't have the gil, you can't upgrade the weapon, the stats are still decent with the 90 version(9 str 20 att) and if you want to go the extra mile the 11STR/22attack version would cost you a few mil, just like any other HQ or +1 item in the game would off the AH. If you want good things, it comes at a price. Be glad that flame geodes are technically free, sure it takes a while, can only farm a few every 7 hours or so but still. Even if the rarity of flame geodes was not intended, the price fits the prize, because STR weapons are extremely good and useful. You're getting 11 STR and 22 attack on a single weapon, think about what else comes that close and how useful that is. I'd gladly pay 3-4mil(only like 2 or 3 dynamis farmings) for a piece of gear that gave me such a massive increase in STR/ATT.

I wonder if SE really intended for a weapon designed for the common folk (no insult intended), to cost this much. That's on top of the time it takes to do the preceding trials which generally take longer than other weapons due to the dearth of fire weather.

Technically even the level 90 STR9/Attack20 weapons are still extraordinarily good and beats many non legendary weapons and only cost a few 100k worth of geodes. Just like the argument with 99 relic/mythic/empy prices: nobody said you had to upgrade to 99. The 99 stats are only 2 str and 2 att and 4 base damage more. It's the equivalent of doling out several mil for an HQ piece of gear. Nobody said you needed the HQ, it's a boon, a luxury.

[Camiie]

Technically even the level 90 STR9/Attack20 weapons are still extraordinarily good and beats many non legendary weapons and only cost a few 100k worth of geodes. Just like the argument with 99 relic/mythic/empy prices: nobody said you had to upgrade to 99. The 99 stats are only 2 str and 2 att and 4 base damage more. It's the equivalent of doling out several mil for an HQ piece of gear. Nobody said you needed the HQ, it's a boon, a luxury.

Yeah I'm sure most of the community would be very satisfied to have someone around with an incomplete elemental weapon in their events. I'm sure they see the NQ/+1 as a completed weapon and the +2/+3/Level 99 as a luxury. Yeah I'm sure that's how it works.

Assuming your premise isn't highly flawed, which IMO it is, what about fire based staves for SMN/RDM/BLM/BRD/SCH? Are they somehow markedly better than their counterparts from other elements? Is an Ifrit -BP Delay/Perp staff superior to a Shiva -BP Delay/Perp staff? Is a staff to boost one's fire based damage superior to a staff to boost ice? Please explain how.

[Demon6324236]

If you're grinding day and night on a fire magian trial, you're doing it wrong. Wanna know how the majority of flame geodes show up? Through selling them on the auction house. Look at it like this. Do you think people doing 99 empies are farming all the plates themselves? No. Most of them are farming gil and buying from the people that don't want them. How about trying that with geodes?

Problem is someone in the world needs to get items in order for them to be sold. If I have 10 billion gil it matters nothing when no one is farming Flame Geodes and no one is doing VW for plates. In other words, someone has to farm them, even if I have the money, so why is it the farming cant be done in a reasonable manner so that I can actually spend my money on them?

[Kysaiana]

I don't really get the argument that the fire trial weapons are worth 4-5 mil. If you got the finished product from scratch with no trials involved, sure that price seems reasonable. But it's for a single trial, and the only reason it's that expensive is because goldsmiths are buying them up to HQ them for mad profit. As others have said, if fire weather were any semblance of common geodes would probably still be the same price, however, people doing the trials could at least farm them in a reasonable time frame. If you've got gil to burn, by all means outbid the goldsmiths. But I think most people are just asking for the opportunity to farm up flame geodes just like you can for any other stupid element ever.

[Plasticleg]

i want everything. i don't want to put forth effort. why is everyone upset that i didn't finish my weapon or learn the system to finish my weapon? please keep your ignorance, really enjoying the 75k per geode sells

[Camiie]

really enjoying the 75k per geode sells

And this is the real reason a handful of people don't want things changed. Don't let them fool you. They're not concerned with other peoples' effort or lack thereof. No one in their right mind, and minding their own business, would even care about that. No, they're worried about their craft or farming income being nerfed.

SE was particularly stupid to combine weapon upgrade trials with crafting. Why didn't they let us make armor from Alexandrite? Why can't we make earrings and necklaces out of Ancient Currency? If not for this incredibly asinine decision, I doubt there would be nearly as much resistance from other players on making flame geodes and fire weather more available.

[Sp1cyryan]

Problem is someone in the world needs to get items in order for them to be sold. If I have 10 billion gil it matters nothing when no one is farming Flame Geodes and no one is doing VW for plates. In other words, someone has to farm them, even if I have the money, so why is it the farming cant be done in a reasonable manner so that I can actually spend my money on them?

Why must you people clutch to poor comparisons.

Flame geodes are not Alexandrite.

Flame geodes are not Heavy Metal Plates.

Fire weather is a pain in the ass to see compared to all the other weathers.

I really fail to see how people can't figure this out and need to try and justify that the geodes drop nowhere near equally.

[Demon6324236]

Why must you people clutch to poor comparisons.

Flame geodes are not Alexandrite.

Flame geodes are not Heavy Metal Plates.

Fire weather is a pain in the ass to see compared to all the other weathers.

I really fail to see how people can't figure this out and need to try and justify that the geodes drop nowhere near equally.

Because its the same idea. No matter how much money you have or how much you are willing to spend its not farmable and not a large supply. Alot of people want fire weapons, alot of people want them for many weapons. They are massively harder to get than any other kind of geode, much more rare. If you could farm them same as any other, I don't think people would complain because it would be a matter of choosing to buy or farm. Instead they are such a pain to farm and so rare that you are better off buying what you can, but supply isn't always there because alot of people want them just like you.

Take the plates out of my comment and you get

Problem is someone in the world needs to get items in order for them to be sold. If I have 10 billion gil it matters nothing when no one is farming Flame Geodes. In other words, someone has to farm them, even if I have the money, so why is it the farming cant be done in a reasonable manner so that I can actually spend my money on them?

Want to tell me whats wrong about it? Nothing, its true, someone has to supply items for you to buy them, no matter what they are. People don't often farm their own geodes for fire weapons because thats how much of a pain they are, but they are a pain to get by anyone so no matter if I have 10gil, or 10 billion gil, I can still be left complaining.

I'm not saying they are the same thing, I am saying they are similar, people can complain that items are high priced, some you can farm, you have no reason to complain, however these you have the perfect reason to. They have a short supply for demand, and are a pain to obtain, so you cant farm, and you cant always buy, no matter what you can be left with nothing you can do about it except wait for the nearest Fireday and hope that you see 5 or so drop in your hour of killing random mobs.

[Plasticleg]

And this is the real reason a handful of people don't want things changed. Don't let them fool you. They're not concerned with other peoples' effort or lack thereof. No one in their right mind, and minding their own business, would even care about that. No, they're worried about their craft or farming income being nerfed.

SE was particularly stupid to combine weapon upgrade trials with crafting. Why didn't they let us make armor from Alexandrite? Why can't we make earrings and necklaces out of Ancient Currency? If not for this incredibly asinine decision, I doubt there would be nearly as much resistance from other players on making flame geodes and fire weather more available.

Are you mad that you can't go to a place with lower level mobs and clear weather on a firesday?
Or are you just too lazy?

[Komori]

Are you really saying that items for a magian weapon should be the same individual cost as hmp? Because when they reach 100~120k. You really might as well buy a full empyrean rather than a magian fire weapon. You would get more of your money's worth out of it and that's really, really sad. A lesser weapon should never cost more or take longer to farm than the superior.