The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[RAIST]

Once again, doesn't negate the fact that you can still force weather in instanced zones that are equally as "rare" or for other paths go to places with weather fairly often to complete trials within a convenience. Are you being argumentative because this might lower the going rate of fire geodes if something is changed? It will still be a highly desired geode, but it will at least give people a better option of farming them in a reasonable sense over having to wait for specific days or just happen to catch a rare fire weather.

I've seen your arguments in the past, and I've countered them in the past also with the same things being said in this topic now. The fact still remains that out of all other geodes/weather occurances, fire geode primarily has to rely on the process of buying rather than farming on ones own because of the rarity of weather and the fact not everyone will have time to work their schedule around to be on when a specific day comes up. Other paths you have the option to go on at any time of the day and choose a location that is known to have a weather of that type often or can force the weather in an instanced zone.

None of that has anything to do with the banter that was going on. This was about the choice of target netting an unbalanced amount of ifritites over geodes....what I was saying is if they had used the same method (killing by days only), but instead chosen targets in the 57-79 level range instead of 80+, they would have not gotten any ifritites, but all flame geodes.

It's about working smarter, not harder to make the most of the opportunities available.

[Connavarr]

None of that has anything to do with the banter that was going on. This was about the choice of target netting an unbalanced amount of ifritites over geodes....what I was saying is if they had used the same method (killing by days only), but instead chosen targets in the 57-79 level range instead of 80+, they would have not gotten any ifritites, but all flame geodes.

It's about working smarter, not harder to make the most of the opportunities available.

200 flans, 250 Manticores. These were two of the trials I did for my STR sword the past couple weeks. You may wanna take a look at the level range of these mobs, and the zones they are in. Killing flans in Mount Z? Earth weather mainly, so even on firesdays very few flame geodes drop. Aby-Kons is the best place, but those mobs are higher, so you'll get a geode here and there, but mainly ifritites. Manticores? Cape Terrigan or Valley of Sorrows has fire weather on occasion, but again, level of the mobs means -tites, not geodes. Oh sure, you could wander Altepa sync'd looking for manticores. How smart is that? Not alot of manticores in a single camp, and fire weather is rare. Progress would be slower doing it this way.

As said, I did my STR kill trials recently. Thousand plus kills, 12 geodes, 14 ifritites. Can't work smarter when the system in place doesn't realisticaly allow it.

Also, the price of geodes is meaningless to me, I just buy the damn things and call it a day. Doesn't mean a flawed system isn't still flawed.

[RAIST]

200 flans, 250 Manticores. These were two of the trials I did for my STR sword the past couple weeks. You may wanna take a look at the level range of these mobs, and the zones they are in. Killing flans in Mount Z? Earth weather mainly, so even on firesdays very few flame geodes drop. Aby-Kons is the best place, but those mobs are higher, so you'll get a geode here and there, but mainly ifritites. Manticores? Cape Terrigan or Valley of Sorrows has fire weather on occasion, but again, level of the mobs means -tites, not geodes. Oh sure, you could wander Altepa sync'd looking for manticores. How smart is that? Not alot of manticores in a single camp, and fire weather is rare. Progress would be slower doing it this way.

As said, I did my STR kill trials recently. Thousand plus kills, 12 geodes, 14 ifritites. Can't work smarter when the system in place doesn't realisticaly allow it.

Also, the price of geodes is meaningless to me, I just buy the damn things and call it a day. Doesn't mean a flawed system isn't still flawed.

Might want to go back and read the post that this was about....the statement was about the total weapons paths, not just one or two trials in one path.

As for the mobs used....there are flans below 80 that could be used if one wanted to give them a shot by days or when fire was popping and such, in zones that can get fire weather. Same with the Manticores--a ton of them in the Cape in a perfect level range, and it was not uncommon for me to find others there slaughtering them that would team up when I made my weapons.

Also... keep in mind if earth/wind weather is popping a lot, you can still sell those and flip them to flame--they frequently hit 20k each on my server. Granted, it's not a perfect 1:1 exchange, but it's not a complete loss if you get a lot of soil/breeze.

[Connavarr]

Might want to go back and read the post that this was about....the statement was about the total weapons paths, not just one or two trials in one path.

As for the mobs used....there are flans below 80 that could be used if one wanted to give them a shot by days or when fire was popping and such, in zones that can get fire weather. Same with the Manticores--a ton of them in the Cape in a perfect level range, and it was not uncommon for me to find others there slaughtering them that would team up when I made my weapons.

Also... keep in mind if earth/wind weather is popping a lot, you can still sell those and flip them to flame--they frequently hit 20k each on my server. Granted, it's not a perfect 1:1 exchange, but it's not a complete loss if you get a lot of soil/breeze.

You totally ignored the fact that in those zones, weather other then fire is not only more common, but lasts longer as well. Also, I just did the manticore trial last week. Not one person, 7ish PM EST, was there for the manticores. Know where they were? Aby, where the mobs spawn faster, and you can kill them easier. Since you cannot rely on weather for these trials, OR farming geodes.

That is the point, which you, and so many others, have missed.

[RAIST]

You totally ignored the fact that in those zones, weather other then fire is not only more common, but lasts longer as well. Also, I just did the manticore trial last week. Not one person, 7ish PM EST, was there for the manticores. Know where they were? Aby, where the mobs spawn faster, and you can kill them easier. Since you cannot rely on weather for these trials, OR farming geodes.

That is the point, which you, and so many others, have missed.

And you completely ignored that we are talking about kills by day only, and that IF you get non-flame weather and wind up with popular geodes (soil/breeze) you can sell them steadily to gather gil to help buy some flames--granted it may be roughly a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio, but it's better than leaving with nothing useful. You can also apply this approach later when you get thr0ugh the monster trials---pick a zone with a lower level mob and spam it for geodes, or farm somethign else for the gil if you want.

It all comes down to choice. You don't HAVE to go to Aby for the trials if your goal was to get your geodes as you go along--otherwise, you may well be looking at having to farm gil to buy your flames if you are in a rush to complete the weapon. It has been documented that Avatarites also drop from 80+ mobs and you can't get an avatarite and geode in the same cooldown window--it's one or the other, then it resets the timer. The player(s) opted to trade an expected focused geode drop rate for an expected faster kill rate, at the expense of a potentially higher Avatarite drop rate.

As for your example of the manticorfes, there's easily a dozen or so manticores arranged fairly close together in the Cape--and they are on a 5 minute repop. You can basically run around in a small loop, killing a group in rotation and they are repopping before you get back to the start of the loop, even solo--more so if you use your NPC. They go down fast, so it really isn't that much different from doing them in abyssea (at least in my experience--just over two game days to complete my manticore stages in the cape), and you would be focused on only geodes, and (depending on the season and such) you might get the opportunity to catch some fire weather cycles while you're at it.

The actual point was, there were alternatives that could have focused the drops on Geodes that could have been used effectively (potentially more effectively for geodes if weather pops), but the player(s) chose otherwise, then complained about the disparity in the avatarite/geode rewards with the chosen target.