The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[Demon6324236]

make fire weather predominant in volcano zones (ifrit's, mt z, etc)

Agreed. No reason I should be able to watch Ifrit's erupt however, no weather at all still...

[RAIST]

Agreed. No reason I should be able to watch Ifrit's erupt however, no weather at all still...

Keep seeing this type of argument in these threads. Hot lava does not automatically mean hot weather---you can have active and errupting volcanoes in snow covered regions. Ifrits is in a tropical zone, so it kinda makes sense for it to have the high rainy weather.

Some of the other zones could go different ways. Deserts are not necessarily hot, but most people do readily accept the frequent dust storms in the typical desert climate (you can have frozen areas designated as a desert)--it is the lack of humidity/high evaporation that is used for a desert classification, not the temperature. The beaches...that's a tossup I guess--typically, oceanic beaches get a fair amount of wind, and temperatures vary greatly according to location--forget exactly where the Cape is in relation to the full world map, but if it's more north then close to the equator and thus puttting it in a cooler climate, might have something to do with it not getting more hot weather cycles outside of the late spring to early fall cycles.

Halvung/Mt. Z is probably the most viable one to adjust fire weather frequency, as it's kinda just out there with no real readily defined features other than it's massive shoreline....probably why it is so dusty (lots of wind from the surrounding seas). If anything, I would expect this could be the best candidate for SE to look into tweaking for more fire occurences if they were to consider doing it. They probably have too many reasons to keep the others as they are.

And, that is probably really what you are fighting on this issue....SE's desire to stick to more real-life representations of the weather according to how things are situated in the scope of topography/geography and such.

[Demon6324236]

Keep seeing this type of argument in these threads. Hot lava does not automatically mean hot weather---you can have active and errupting volcanoes in snow covered regions. Ifrits is in a tropical zone, so it kinda makes sense for it to have the high rainy weather.

While I agree with you on this in a realistic standpoint, that only goes so far. If I am inside of a volcano, and standing near the center, and it erupts... Its going to be hot, very, hot. Now with this in mind, if nothing else Ifrit's weather should be fire in these moments, if not more often. I understand its a forest which gets rain fall, but the Volcano erupting while your inside of it or extremely close to it should take precedence.

[RAIST]

While I agree with you on this in a realistic standpoint, that only goes so far. If I am inside of a volcano, and standing near the center, and it erupts... Its going to be hot, very, hot. Now with this in mind, if nothing else Ifrit's weather should be fire in these moments, if not more often. I understand its a forest which gets rain fall, but the Volcano erupting while your inside of it or extremely close to it should take precedence.

That's the problem though... SE doesn't see that as WEATHER. That is molten lava spewing forth from the earth, not solar radiation from the sun. Just don't expect us to be able to win SE over on the issue with the Volcano approach, because it actually isn't a weather element per se.

[Hashmalum]

Keep seeing this type of argument in these threads. Hot lava does not automatically mean hot weather---you can have active and errupting volcanoes in snow covered regions. Ifrits is in a tropical zone, so it kinda makes sense for it to have the high rainy weather.

But very hot objects such as volcanoes (and modern cities!) create their own microclimates. Besides, the weather game effect (which is what we really care about here) doesn't necessarily reflect any sort of real-world process or reasoning--maybe fire magic works better in a heat wave because of elemental imbalances in the ambient mana, or whatever. Who knows, it's magic. The weather causing rocks to appear? That's obviously supernatural right there. Just give us the weather effect and don't worry too much about the real life climate of volcanoes.

[RAIST]

But very hot objects such as volcanoes (and modern cities!) create their own microclimates. Besides, the weather game effect (which is what we really care about here) doesn't necessarily reflect any sort of real-world process or reasoning--maybe fire magic works better in a heat wave because of elemental imbalances in the ambient mana, or whatever. Who knows, it's magic. The weather causing rocks to appear? That's obviously supernatural right there. Just give us the weather effect and don't worry too much about the real life climate of volcanoes.

Yeah... but unfortunately SE just refuses to see things differently. No matter how much sense it seems to make to everyone else, they appear to be stuck on the whole atmospheric/meteorological approach to weather.

Until they change their stance on that, gonna have to come up with other angles to convince them to tweak things. Until then, best we can probably hope for is for them to do something to the actual drop rates when the ideal conditions exist for geodes to drop. For the life of me, I never understood why they have that stupid cool-down timer....can't help but think removal of that BS mechanic would have a profound impact on the supply.

[Mirage]

Keep seeing this type of argument in these threads. Hot lava does not automatically mean hot weather---you can have active and errupting volcanoes in snow covered regions. Ifrits is in a tropical zone, so it kinda makes sense for it to have the high rainy weather.

Yeah of course you can have volcanoes in snow covered regions, but there won't be much snow on the ground if you're so close that you can stare right into the lava (like you can in Ifrit's Cauldron). When you get that close to a volcano, it often gets unbearably hot.

IC is also in a region that is already (probably) very hot. It's a tropical jungle, so you can expect the temperatures to be 30 celsius or higher. If you have this temperature, and then wander all the way to the edge of an active volcano, close enough to stare right into the lava, you'll have a hard time convincing me that it wouldn't be above 50-60 degrees celsius there.

[RAIST]

Yeah of course you can have volcanoes in snow covered regions, but there won't be much snow on the ground if you're so close that you can stare right into the lava (like you can in Ifrit's Cauldron). When you get that close to a volcano, it often gets unbearably hot. IC is also in a region that is already (probably) very hot. It's a tropical jungle, so you can expect the temperatures to be 30 celsius or higher. If you have this temperature, and then wander all the way to the edge of an active volcano, close enough to stare right into the lava, you'll have a hard time convincing me that it wouldn't be above 50-60 degrees celsius there.

may have missed the point...SE sees weather more as a meteorological event (not a temperature event), thus they simply don't put a volcano into the scope of a weather event.

[waithuhwhat]

may have missed the point...SE sees weather more as a meteorological event (not a temperature event), thus they simply don't put a volcano into the scope of a weather event.

then why does the Alzadaal Undersea Ruins have water weather 100% of the time? :X

[Raksha]

then why does the Alzadaal Undersea Ruins have water weather 100% of the time? :X

And how do auroras in qufim relate to weather at all.