The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[Kitkat]

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

Also, as noted in the thread already, geodes also drop on the respective elemental day and the chance for them to drop on each day is balanced.

With that said, please continue to give your feedback and we will be sure to pass it on. Sorry for the mix up!

After doing 2 str path weapons I can tell you the rate at which a geode drops compared to the higher versions is disproportionate to what is required to do the final stages. By this I mean out of killing mobs on days I saw only 6 geodes drop compared to 18 Ifritite (this is total for all trials completed of kill xxx amount of mob type, not per trial but all trials combined). If something is considered a higher grade, should it not drop less often than the lower grade counter part? Why not place zones that also have the ability to force specific weather events but still have limited access restrictions (much like nyzul being 30 min at a time and a max of 4-5 entry periods depending on tags player has)?

Pointing out that there is similar weathers that don't occur is counter productive as you are just shifting focus without looking at the other fact you have zones where the effect is constant inside and instanced zone. This makes the difficulty of getting light geode/carbite much lower than fire geode because it is a zone that has double light weather for 30 minutes at a time. This is what offsets the cost of the two so significantly because people do ni/niu frequently meaning supply:demand ratio lowers the pricing where as supply:demand ration on fire has no such secondary option available to offset how rare it occurs.

[RAIST]

By this I mean out of killing mobs on days I saw only 6 geodes drop compared to 18 Ifritite (this is total for all trials completed of kill xxx amount of mob type, not per trial but all trials combined).

Just a thought....if you had been killing lower level mobs to avoid the Ifritites being in the pool, that might have been 24 flame....that's why I farmed mine mostly in QSC.

[Kitkat]

Just a thought....if you had been killing lower level mobs to avoid the Ifritites being in the pool, that might have been 24 flame....that's why I farmed mine mostly in QSC.

Just a thought, trials do not encompass just the lower lvl mobs you point out here. Doesn't change the fact that rather then amending a piss poor chance to obtain these they are instead making excuses as to why not to. I can enter Nyzul any day of the week, any time of the day, and farm for geode/carbit. I can go work on various other trials in certain zones and know that at least 1-4 times within an hour a weather effect will pop up allowing me to farm the required geode of that path.

[RAIST]

Just a thought, trials do not encompass just the lower lvl mobs you point out here.

Huh? Older zones are full of mobs in xp'able range that are not so high as to drop Avatarites. Granted, if you are on something like golems or something, that presents a challenge....but there is a host of "normal" EP mobs to work with by day that won't drop avatarites.

[Kitkat]

Huh? Older zones are full of mobs in xp'able range that are not so high as to drop Avatarites. Granted, if you are on something like golems or something, that presents a challenge....but there is a host of "normal" EP mobs to work with by day that won't drop avatarites.

Once again, doesn't negate the fact that you can still force weather in instanced zones that are equally as "rare" or for other paths go to places with weather fairly often to complete trials within a convenience. Are you being argumentative because this might lower the going rate of fire geodes if something is changed? It will still be a highly desired geode, but it will at least give people a better option of farming them in a reasonable sense over having to wait for specific days or just happen to catch a rare fire weather.

I've seen your arguments in the past, and I've countered them in the past also with the same things being said in this topic now. The fact still remains that out of all other geodes/weather occurances, fire geode primarily has to rely on the process of buying rather than farming on ones own because of the rarity of weather and the fact not everyone will have time to work their schedule around to be on when a specific day comes up. Other paths you have the option to go on at any time of the day and choose a location that is known to have a weather of that type often or can force the weather in an instanced zone.

[RAIST]

Once again, doesn't negate the fact that you can still force weather in instanced zones that are equally as "rare" or for other paths go to places with weather fairly often to complete trials within a convenience. Are you being argumentative because this might lower the going rate of fire geodes if something is changed? It will still be a highly desired geode, but it will at least give people a better option of farming them in a reasonable sense over having to wait for specific days or just happen to catch a rare fire weather.

I've seen your arguments in the past, and I've countered them in the past also with the same things being said in this topic now. The fact still remains that out of all other geodes/weather occurances, fire geode primarily has to rely on the process of buying rather than farming on ones own because of the rarity of weather and the fact not everyone will have time to work their schedule around to be on when a specific day comes up. Other paths you have the option to go on at any time of the day and choose a location that is known to have a weather of that type often or can force the weather in an instanced zone.

None of that has anything to do with the banter that was going on. This was about the choice of target netting an unbalanced amount of ifritites over geodes....what I was saying is if they had used the same method (killing by days only), but instead chosen targets in the 57-79 level range instead of 80+, they would have not gotten any ifritites, but all flame geodes.

It's about working smarter, not harder to make the most of the opportunities available.

[Connavarr]

None of that has anything to do with the banter that was going on. This was about the choice of target netting an unbalanced amount of ifritites over geodes....what I was saying is if they had used the same method (killing by days only), but instead chosen targets in the 57-79 level range instead of 80+, they would have not gotten any ifritites, but all flame geodes.

It's about working smarter, not harder to make the most of the opportunities available.

200 flans, 250 Manticores. These were two of the trials I did for my STR sword the past couple weeks. You may wanna take a look at the level range of these mobs, and the zones they are in. Killing flans in Mount Z? Earth weather mainly, so even on firesdays very few flame geodes drop. Aby-Kons is the best place, but those mobs are higher, so you'll get a geode here and there, but mainly ifritites. Manticores? Cape Terrigan or Valley of Sorrows has fire weather on occasion, but again, level of the mobs means -tites, not geodes. Oh sure, you could wander Altepa sync'd looking for manticores. How smart is that? Not alot of manticores in a single camp, and fire weather is rare. Progress would be slower doing it this way.

As said, I did my STR kill trials recently. Thousand plus kills, 12 geodes, 14 ifritites. Can't work smarter when the system in place doesn't realisticaly allow it.

Also, the price of geodes is meaningless to me, I just buy the damn things and call it a day. Doesn't mean a flawed system isn't still flawed.