The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[Mirage]

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

Also, as noted in the thread already, geodes also drop on the respective elemental day and the chance for them to drop on each day is balanced.

With that said, please continue to give your feedback and we will be sure to pass it on. Sorry for the mix up!

Well, the problem is that over half the jobs in the game (every job that relies on physical damage, ranged or not) can benefit from a fire weapon in one way or another, while only very few benefit from light/shadow weapons.

Light trial weapons are mostly just done for cure potency staves, but light weather is always active in Nyzul and you recently revived Nyzul activity. That could explain the higher supply of light geodes relative to fire geodes.

As for dark weather, not a lot of people are making dark path staves. I would guess that it's more or less only summoners who make them for fenrir/diabolos, but the summoners who bother with making dark staves also often make staves for the other elements as well, therefore these don't skew the demand from one element to another as significantly as the 13(14 incl blue mage) physical DD jobs in the game.

Additionally, the elemental stave paths are easily shared between some of the mage jobs. Someone who is BLM, WHM and SCH can use the same staves for all three jobs. Someone who is DRG, WAR and DRK needs a polearm, greataxe and greatsword (maybe a scythe too), and there's a big chance they'll all be fire path. As you can see, gearing three melee jobs with a "good" nonempy weapon demands (15+40)*3 flame geodes. Gearing the three listed mages requires 15+40 light and 15-40 shadow geodes.

As for the rest of the elements, earth, water, wind, lightning and ice are all relatively common.

I think that a decent way to "solve" this would be for example to let fire weather show up more often in for example ifrit's cauldron. I know this zone is linked to the jungle region, but seriously, at certain points in ifrit's cauldron, you're staring straight into red-glowing lava. It would make complete sense to just detach Ifrit's cauldron from the region it is in, (weather-wise), and let it have fire weather a lot more often than Yhoator Jungle.

The same can be said about about Lebros Cavern. I mean look at it, you can see the liquid rock, the temperature in there must be several hundred degrees celsius, it should be too hot for human-like life forms to even be there, yet we don't get frequent fire weather.

The only elemental magian trial path that might be as popular as the str paths could be evasion daggers/katanas, considering some might want to dualwield them, and considering that even if you have an empy weapon for dagger/katana wielding jobs, you can still off-hand an evasion weapon. The price of breeze geodes and garudites is still higher than many other geodes, but because wind weather is a lot more common than fire, the prices are still held somewhat in check. I imagine if wind weather was as rare as fire, we'd be looking at 2-4 times more expensive breeze geodes.

[Kitkat]

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

Also, as noted in the thread already, geodes also drop on the respective elemental day and the chance for them to drop on each day is balanced.

With that said, please continue to give your feedback and we will be sure to pass it on. Sorry for the mix up!

After doing 2 str path weapons I can tell you the rate at which a geode drops compared to the higher versions is disproportionate to what is required to do the final stages. By this I mean out of killing mobs on days I saw only 6 geodes drop compared to 18 Ifritite (this is total for all trials completed of kill xxx amount of mob type, not per trial but all trials combined). If something is considered a higher grade, should it not drop less often than the lower grade counter part? Why not place zones that also have the ability to force specific weather events but still have limited access restrictions (much like nyzul being 30 min at a time and a max of 4-5 entry periods depending on tags player has)?

Pointing out that there is similar weathers that don't occur is counter productive as you are just shifting focus without looking at the other fact you have zones where the effect is constant inside and instanced zone. This makes the difficulty of getting light geode/carbite much lower than fire geode because it is a zone that has double light weather for 30 minutes at a time. This is what offsets the cost of the two so significantly because people do ni/niu frequently meaning supply:demand ratio lowers the pricing where as supply:demand ration on fire has no such secondary option available to offset how rare it occurs.

[RAIST]

By this I mean out of killing mobs on days I saw only 6 geodes drop compared to 18 Ifritite (this is total for all trials completed of kill xxx amount of mob type, not per trial but all trials combined).

Just a thought....if you had been killing lower level mobs to avoid the Ifritites being in the pool, that might have been 24 flame....that's why I farmed mine mostly in QSC.

[Kitkat]

Just a thought....if you had been killing lower level mobs to avoid the Ifritites being in the pool, that might have been 24 flame....that's why I farmed mine mostly in QSC.

Just a thought, trials do not encompass just the lower lvl mobs you point out here. Doesn't change the fact that rather then amending a piss poor chance to obtain these they are instead making excuses as to why not to. I can enter Nyzul any day of the week, any time of the day, and farm for geode/carbit. I can go work on various other trials in certain zones and know that at least 1-4 times within an hour a weather effect will pop up allowing me to farm the required geode of that path.

[RAIST]

Just a thought, trials do not encompass just the lower lvl mobs you point out here.

Huh? Older zones are full of mobs in xp'able range that are not so high as to drop Avatarites. Granted, if you are on something like golems or something, that presents a challenge....but there is a host of "normal" EP mobs to work with by day that won't drop avatarites.

[Sp1cyryan]

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

If they are still not as rare as fire then what is the point in mentioning them? You would not compare the price of gold to the price of silver to justify the price of gold. It is its own item.

Once again, a reasonable enough amount of weather exists to farm any geodes, except fire.

[Mostfowl]

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

Also, as noted in the thread already, geodes also drop on the respective elemental day and the chance for them to drop on each day is balanced.

With that said, please continue to give your feedback and we will be sure to pass it on. Sorry for the mix up!

Ah Camate not quite so. If it were the this way I would not have a bag of 50+ dark light ice thunder earth wind and water geodes (after making staffs for fire ice thunder wind and water) and still only have 7 flame geodes. Especially when a bulk of my fighting is on fireday/weather due to trials.

I want to believe you Camate REALLY I DO. But the proof is in the pudding.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

Also, as noted in the thread already, geodes also drop on the respective elemental day and the chance for them to drop on each day is balanced.

With that said, please continue to give your feedback and we will be sure to pass it on. Sorry for the mix up!

So because Light and Dark are semi-rare as well they should be classed in the same league as Flame, seriously?

Do you know why they're cheap? They're rarely sold. Unless you're doing a Curing Staff or Dark SMN one, they are NOT useful, mixed with the fact they're common weather when compared to fire.

Polish the crap as much as you want, it's still crap.

Want Dark - Go to Beaucedine [s] or Xarcabard [s].... Done
Want Light - Go to Nyzul Isle.... Done
Want Fire - Erm...... wait for Firesday cause you aren't seeing no weather friend.

[Dreamin]

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

Also, as noted in the thread already, geodes also drop on the respective elemental day and the chance for them to drop on each day is balanced.

With that said, please continue to give your feedback and we will be sure to pass it on. Sorry for the mix up!

So by balanced, then one would assumed that if one were to farm in a single zone spreading over several in-game day without any weather occurance, then one should get pretty much the SAME EXACT NUMBER of different elemental geodes. But the fact remains that this isn't necesary the case at all.

Please give us the 'Balanced Drop Rate' of these geodes in the same exact zone, the same exact mobs without any weather occurrance. Because frankly, I dont think ANYONE posting in here would buy the whole 'BALANCED' agrument at all.

[Godofgods]

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

The oppertunity for a drop (weather) isnt the issue. Its the fact the flame geodes are in demand about say... 100,000% more then light or dark. Thats the reason they are drastly increaed in price compared to the others.
Asking for higher drops, or more fire weather is nothing more then a way to combate that initial problem.