The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[Kristal]

Dont know if anyone else notice this or not, but when I was doing my flame trial/geodes I noticed that the lower tier mobs trend to drop geodes more often than ifritites. For example, I was able to get about 2-4 geodes killing Lesser Colibris out by the Waypoint outside of WG. But if I were to try to kill faster and kill inside Abyssea I trend to get ifritites instead. [Abyssea is faster due to repop timer].

So at the end, I ended up killing slower but didn't have to buy as many. Not sure if it's just me and 'luck' though.

Mobs level 56-80 drop geodes. Anything above drops geodes/avatarites. Might get geodes from lowest level abyssean mobs, but the more you kill them, the higher level they become, so you end up with avatarites unless you switch to different mobs.

Cape Terrigan or Kuftal Tunnel would be a good spot. It has fire and wind weather, and plenty of mobs in geode-only range.

[scaevola]

No, I dont. Better items sell for more than crappy items. And even at 100k each, the end result weapons of a lot of that magian path are worth the price. If they werent worth it people wouldnt pay that much and the price would go down.

The frequency of fire weather was built around balancing a system that wouldn't be introduced for another 8 years.

Yep.

[Kyte]

Uh, what makes you think they're going to fix this "problem" when RNGs are required to pay 130k per ingot for a stack of bullets? There is tons of crap in this game that's over-expensive; get over it. I probably spent your 3.8M or whatever it was last week playing my job.

Just because one mechanic is stupid doesn't mean another should be. By your logic we should all have degrading weapons that we have to get sharpened for 200k every 100 swings. BALANCE!

[Luvbunny]

Agreed that they should put more fire weather, which will balance the drop rate and make the price more affordable. Doubt they even read the forum or listen to our pleas though. With their barely there team - they can't do much other than focusing on 1-2 things at a time and do minor tweaks here and there. SE is trying to milk this game for all its worth, seeing that FF14 is not re-launching anytime soon, and it will take a good 6 months after lunch to stabilize that game. Get ready to be sorely disappointed with Seekers at launch - with barely there content and pretty not much to do at all for a good 6 months. If they choose to emulate Abyssea and repeat its blockbuster game changing formula then its a win win. But seeing how displeased they are with the way people consume abyssea content, and how it actually make the game much more enjoyble (translation: less time sink, bad for SE) - I doubt they will repeat the success.

[Theytak]

To everyone attacking the idea and looking down on the players for it, let me ask you something: How, in any way, does increasing the availability of Flame Geodes negatively impact you in anyway? Suddenly fire path weapons get a little bit easier to get, and gold smithers' supply is increased. That won't suddenly make the gems any less difficult to craft, and won't cause any major (read: permanent) fluctuations in price, unless every goldsmith on your server has the business sense of a 5 year old. Sure, you might be able to make fistfuls of gil just by sneezing, but not everyone has the time/skills/resources to do the same.

Also, everyone needs to stop saying "If you don't want to pay, you can farm your geodes and get them for free" because that's a load of shit. TINSTAAFL. Opportunity Cost. To farm geodes, you have to go out of your way to grind against a terrible drop system. Geodes can only drop once per party/alliance every 5 minutes, so if you're going to farm them with friends, don't party up. 5 minutes between drops means an absolute max of 20 geodes per firesday, assuming you're lucky and get no weather, and we all know that doesn't happen to anyone without the same level of luck as going 1/1 on multiple logwatch drops.

In the time you spend grinding geodes, you could very easily make far more money doing something more productive. Enough to buy the geodes you would have gotten? That depends on the individual's crafting/resource pool. Regardless, time is money, and saying "you can go slam your face into a wall to get these geodes to drop and it won't cost you anything" is rather stupid.

That said, again, how would flame geodes suddenly being a little more reasonable to get negatively impact any of you? The only ones who have any argument to make are the high level goldsmiths, which I sincerely doubt most of you guys bashing this idea are. I'm sorry, but "I want to be better than other players, so keep it hard for them to not suck" is not a valid reason. Nor is "It was easy when I did it" because that just means the random number generator loves you.

[RAIST]

Angry much?

I was under the impression the thread was pretty full of people coming up with ideas to increase availability, either along with the OP or as alternatives?

Simply adjusting the weather may be a big no-no in SE's eyes (they have strange definitions of Balance and Continuity sometimes)....but there are other things they could do to help people out, a lot of good ideas here for them to consider. Any number of them are reasonable requests for SE to consider and would be a big help for those still struggling.

[Theytak]

Angry much?

I was under the impression the thread was pretty full of people coming up with ideas to increase availability, either along with the OP or as alternatives?

Simply adjusting the weather may be a big no-no in SE's eyes (they have strange definitions of Balance and Continuity sometimes)....but there are other things they could do to help people out, a lot of good ideas here for them to consider. Any number of them are reasonable requests for SE to consider and would be a big help for those still struggling.

Didn't mean to sound angry, I'm not. I'm asking an honest question, because I can't make any sense of the logic of people who are saying things like "there's nothing wrong with it" "that's not expensive" "it wasn't hard when I did it" "if you don't want to pay it, farm it for free" or "they don't need to change it" and expecting them to actually be anything other than blatant troll posts. Some of them obviously are, but some of them also attempt to sound like a serious point where none exists.

If you show me faulty logic, I'm gonna poke holes in it. It's a compulsion.

[sc4500]

Part of me thinks they should make the flames geodes drop more, but the other part of me feels that the way it is , is just fine since some of those weapons are top tier weapons and the next lv of weapons that you will make are going cost 10 times or more in gil and going take a ton of weeks or much longer just to get. , also if they made it to easy of a drop rate i can see were we start to have full alliances of monks doing everything with the lv99 weapon only for every party events and with the high price and bad drop rate it kind of slows that down. Then everyone would have to be that job.

One idea i would like to see is a geode trader , trade in like 25 aqua geodes get one flame geode, something like that.

[kewitt]

I have to agree with Flame Geode being out to lunch. I have 2 weapons at the Flame geode path, my hubby has 2. We are both causal player, and looked at the STR weapons as a replacement to spending a year + getting relic, mythic, or emp. We have tried spending time farming them only for fireday come along and weather effect come along and we get the wrong geode. After about 7 months of spending about 100 hours farming we have 27 so far.

I would love a trade 3 to 1 convert.
or
ifritites synergy
level say 30-50
Gold smithing
1 to NQ = 1, hq 1 = 2, hq 2 = 3, hq 3 = 4

[Komori]

Part of me thinks they should make the flames geodes drop more, but the other part of me feels that the way it is , is just fine since some of those weapons are top tier weapons and the next lv of weapons that you will make are going cost 10 times or more in gil and going take a ton of weeks or much longer just to get. , also if they made it to easy of a drop rate i can see were we start to have full alliances of monks doing everything with the lv99 weapon only for every party events and with the high price and bad drop rate it kind of slows that down. Then everyone would have to be that job.

One idea i would like to see is a geode trader , trade in like 25 aqua geodes get one flame geode, something like that.

I didn't understand you here. You say no because DDs in a party would all have better weapons and that's a bad thing? Is that really what I heard? What?