The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[Kysaiana]

I don't really get the argument that the fire trial weapons are worth 4-5 mil. If you got the finished product from scratch with no trials involved, sure that price seems reasonable. But it's for a single trial, and the only reason it's that expensive is because goldsmiths are buying them up to HQ them for mad profit. As others have said, if fire weather were any semblance of common geodes would probably still be the same price, however, people doing the trials could at least farm them in a reasonable time frame. If you've got gil to burn, by all means outbid the goldsmiths. But I think most people are just asking for the opportunity to farm up flame geodes just like you can for any other stupid element ever.

[Plasticleg]

i want everything. i don't want to put forth effort. why is everyone upset that i didn't finish my weapon or learn the system to finish my weapon? please keep your ignorance, really enjoying the 75k per geode sells

[Camiie]

really enjoying the 75k per geode sells

And this is the real reason a handful of people don't want things changed. Don't let them fool you. They're not concerned with other peoples' effort or lack thereof. No one in their right mind, and minding their own business, would even care about that. No, they're worried about their craft or farming income being nerfed.

SE was particularly stupid to combine weapon upgrade trials with crafting. Why didn't they let us make armor from Alexandrite? Why can't we make earrings and necklaces out of Ancient Currency? If not for this incredibly asinine decision, I doubt there would be nearly as much resistance from other players on making flame geodes and fire weather more available.

[Plasticleg]

And this is the real reason a handful of people don't want things changed. Don't let them fool you. They're not concerned with other peoples' effort or lack thereof. No one in their right mind, and minding their own business, would even care about that. No, they're worried about their craft or farming income being nerfed.

SE was particularly stupid to combine weapon upgrade trials with crafting. Why didn't they let us make armor from Alexandrite? Why can't we make earrings and necklaces out of Ancient Currency? If not for this incredibly asinine decision, I doubt there would be nearly as much resistance from other players on making flame geodes and fire weather more available.

Are you mad that you can't go to a place with lower level mobs and clear weather on a firesday?
Or are you just too lazy?

[Camiie]

Are you mad that you can't go to a place with lower level mobs and clear weather on a firesday? Or are you just too lazy?

I'm trying to make a -perp/BP Delay staff for Ifrit. Tell me why that particular staff should cost me more or take me longer to complete than any of the others? It does the exact same thing for Ifrit as the ice-based staff does for Shiva or the dark one does for both Fenrir and Diabolos. You go work on a set of those staves and then come back and tell me I'm lazy.

[Plasticleg]

I'm trying to make a -perp/BP Delay staff for Ifrit. Tell me why that particular staff should cost me more or take me longer to complete than any of the others? It does the exact same thing for Ifrit as the ice-based staff does for Shiva or the dark one does for both Fenrir and Diabolos. You go work on a set of those staves and then come back and tell me I'm lazy.

you're lazy (see, i came back)
sounds like you picked the wrong weapon. <<that's too bad.>>

i only have smn for PD-mule, and nothing more, so i'd have to be a moron to make a weapon just per request of someone over a forum.

[Komori]

Are you really saying that items for a magian weapon should be the same individual cost as hmp? Because when they reach 100~120k. You really might as well buy a full empyrean rather than a magian fire weapon. You would get more of your money's worth out of it and that's really, really sad. A lesser weapon should never cost more or take longer to farm than the superior.

[Demon6324236]

Are you really saying that items for a magian weapon should be the same individual cost as hmp? Because when they reach 100~120k. You really might as well buy a full empyrean rather than a magian fire weapon. You would get more of your money's worth out of it and that's really, really sad. A lesser weapon should never cost more or take longer to farm than the superior.

I'm starting to think the people arguing against it are just more of the same people who complain about wanting pro gear no one can get. They thing their STR weps are all-pro weapons and should be more rare, even though its entire problem with rarity if a problem of weather & drop rate.

[Plasticleg]

Are you really saying that items for a magian weapon should be the same individual cost as hmp? Because when they reach 100~120k. You really might as well buy a full empyrean rather than a magian fire weapon. You would get more of your money's worth out of it and that's really, really sad. A lesser weapon should never cost more or take longer to farm than the superior.

if you merch an empy to 85, lets say ukon, that's approx 300k~400k per item. of course, you can farm it up, however you want to buy it because that is what is most convenient. so you would be paying around 17.5mil just to get it to the 80(see: useless) stage. but if you don't want to farm up and kill the next NM for the 50 items, you can merch someone to do it, as well for around the same price (thanks tunga) and be stuck with a 35mil price-tag for an 85 version of the weapon.

with the current 70k selling point for flame geodes on siren, you'd end up with a 2.8mil cost to get a fire magian weapon to level 95.

so no, you all are abusing hyperbole when you throw accusations out, to hide the fact that the issue isn't the sellers, but more-so the buyers.

also, two words: pyrosoul ring

[Mirage]

I think any effort to try to make that guy understand is a waste of energy by now. He's dead set on this being the way it should be, regardless of any logically sound argument.

Let's just hope he doesn't work at SE.