PUP endgame help?

[Lisotte]

Hey, just reached lvl 78 as pup, and I'm finally thinking about what I'm going to do once I reach 90.

Obviously skilling up the rest of the way is one thing I'll be doing, but I'm clueless about other things.

I eventually of course want to have full emp +2 armour and Verethragna, but what should I wear till then? (of course, that'll take forever). What other gear should I wear apart from that?

What stats and other things should I put merits into?

What atmas should I be using?

As far as I know, there's no endgame pup guide out there. I want to work on min/maxing pup, but I want work on min/maxing with gear and all before emp weapon/armour, then after as well.

Also, is the length of time so long working on emp stuff that I should do some of the other quests and trials and stuff to get more to last till then? Like stringing pummel; certainly it's weaker than victory smite but should I put the time into getting it to hold me over till I get vere? What about hunting for Burattinaios?

I don't have all the time of the world to work on getting stuff in this game, but I do want to have final goals to work for, and be as strong as I can be for every step of the way (obviously getting stronger as I get more of the final goals achieved).

TL;DR: What the hell do I work for, starting at lvl 90 as PUP? What do I equip then and what do I get along the way? What do I eventually end up with?

[Lushipur]

first of all: cap all your skill....especially automaton magic...the big number outside of abyssea come from there

and you should exp sch and nin to 45 if you want to solo some stuff
pup/sch is good for nuking things, while pup/nin with whm automaton is one of the best way to solo stuff in abyssea

about equip: emp+1 set should be your priority...usually less ppl is asking pup seal so its easy to join a shout pt and lot those.
vere is a really hard goal if you do not have an ls or, at least, a static pt...
for this reason you should get stringing pummel asap...

for the attach you can view my profile on ffxiah, those are the setup i use with every automaton
same for some other piece of equip its cool to have...if u have the 3 mini-exp they have some of the best pup equip you can have

i will suggest in obtaining some trial h2h like str path and, i love those one, DA path.
burattinaio is something you should aim at, too.

for the merit you need to cap magic and melee skill, optimization and 3 point to fine tuning...a point in role reversal and ventriloqui too
i will cap str+, crit+ and h2h skill

atma: RR, VV, SS for melee setup and ultimate, beyond and MM for mage setup are some of the best atma we can use

[Dfoley]

first of all: cap all your skill....especially automaton magic...the big number outside of abyssea come from there

and you should exp sch and nin to 45 if you want to solo some stuff
pup/sch is good for nuking things, while pup/nin with whm automaton is one of the best way to solo stuff in abyssea

about equip: emp+1 set should be your priority...usually less ppl is asking pup seal so its easy to join a shout pt and lot those.
vere is a really hard goal if you do not have an ls or, at least, a static pt...
for this reason you should get stringing pummel asap...

for the attach you can view my profile on ffxiah, those are the setup i use with every automaton
same for some other piece of equip its cool to have...if u have the 3 mini-exp they have some of the best pup equip you can have

i will suggest in obtaining some trial h2h like str path and, i love those one, DA path.
burattinaio is something you should aim at, too.

for the merit you need to cap magic and melee skill, optimization and 3 point to fine tuning...a point in role reversal and ventriloqui too
i will cap str+, crit+ and h2h skill

atma: RR, VV, SS for melee setup and ultimate, beyond and MM for mage setup are some of the best atma we can use

No offense but that was a lot of old information that really isnt true anymore. Alot of your points were fine but here
1) Yes you can get big nukes out of abyssea, but with burts you get better DD sharpshooter and better soloability with valor edge.
2) Level subs to 49, not 45, youll thank me later
3) SCH can be pretty much skipped, if you cant kill it /war, dnc, or nin it wont matter. You can level it if you want for the 3 mobs you might be sleep nukeing but we are so far above them level wise now it wont matter.
4) For gear I am really tempted to say just skip verethragna. Burts are comparable dmg, and have far more utility. With stringing pummel and burts, you wont miss verethragna at all.
5) for atma, rr,gh, apoc .... or rr vv apoc
6) for merits in group 2 you can probably skip ventriloq now since we have DEA its almost completly worthless, you might even be able to skip role reversal, I know I personally havent used it 4+ months

[Lushipur]

No offense but that was a lot of old information that really isnt true anymore. Alot of your points were fine but here
1) Yes you can get big nukes out of abyssea, but with burts you get better DD sharpshooter and better soloability with valor edge.
2) Level subs to 49, not 45, youll thank me later
3) SCH can be pretty much skipped, if you cant kill it /war, dnc, or nin it wont matter. You can level it if you want for the 3 mobs you might be sleep nukeing but we are so far above them level wise now it wont matter.
4) For gear I am really tempted to say just skip verethragna. Burts are comparable dmg, and have far more utility. With stringing pummel and burts, you wont miss verethragna at all.
5) for atma, rr,gh, apoc .... or rr vv apoc
6) for merits in group 2 you can probably skip ventriloq now since we have DEA its almost completly worthless, you might even be able to skip role reversal, I know I personally havent used it 4+ months

2) obviously i was talking about the current level cap...and now there is little problem to exp a sub...no real need to hurry cause synch pt are almoast dead and, from what i can judge, the OP have just burned pup in abyssea...but i can be wrong :P

1/3) yes, SCH may be skipped now... pup90 can solo everything even without the sleep/nuke... but remember that outside abyssea we dont have awesome power and for most NM its the free hate nuke that make us the best nuker :P and i'll wait to see the new content to judge if /sch is not returning to his splendor :P and burattinaios is awesome but i still think LS will prefer other dd that can give less tp to nm and draw less hate... when i have to use pup in event, im always a nuke pup...but thats my point of view...different ppl have diifferent play style....but saying that
the nuke part of our job is to be trascured in favor of the melee one is not good either

6) i personally love role reversal and ill love to max it if SE will ever raise the merit limit. with DEA and role reversal you have a fresh mmaton and dont have to rest/use oil. vent have is use, its not the hate on the puppet the problem, but yours. with vent you can let the puppet die and then DEA it...but i admit i skipped it for 1 more point in fine tuning :P

[Lisotte]

Well I would definately like to clarify that I leveled to 70 the old-fashioned way; after that I was doing stuff in worms parties (though even with bluffalo parties the blind + flash + cure v is fairly useful I'd say).

Just wondering, what would be the time needed to get vere compared to getting burt and stringing pummel? I'm assuming the later's quicker, but at least the former's less luck-based.

Oh, and I do have a good ls. Not a big one that can field an entire alliance (particularly because we seem even split between NA and EU times) but we can get maybe 9 people at the best of times.

[Lisotte]

BTW, if I spend merit points in one thing, then realise that it was a stupid decision, can I earn more merit points and put them in other categories? For all of the 11 days I played WoW, I remember screwing myself over by putting points in different talent trees so I couldn't get the final skill of the tree I followed.

[Gropitou]

2) Level subs to 49, not 45, youll thank me later

While you're at it, why not go to 50+ and open up the AF quests, getting that extra level will probably only take a short time and allow you the fun of doing those storyline quests (if you are into that).

[Lisotte]

While you're at it, why not go to 50+ and open up the AF quests, getting that extra level will probably only take a short time and allow you the fun of doing those storyline quests (if you are into that).

Yeah I'm planning on taking my subjobs to 50, currently have war and dnc at 45. However, I had to level those from 30-45 recently, which took about 4 days combined. At the end of that period I felt like I was going a little insane; I don't like playing dnc very much, or even subbing it if I can help it. nin I've stayed as far as I could away from, due to the fact that I've already been poor. If I have spare time (LOL!) I might level it, but for partying in aby /war seems better as a sub.

I've thought about leveling sch; might take to 30 then leech to 50. However, I really like stuff in aby so it's not that big of a priority though (though might become one if I start working on stringing pummel; nyzul isle sounds really annoying).

[Seha]

Don't tp in empy feet, it's a macro piece for ws/tactical switch.
Stringing Pummel is a must-have! It's an awesome ws. I was the other day soloing some op in abyssea and hitting for 3k-4k while a blu with woe weapon next to me was doing 2k-3k with chant du cygne, lol.
As of magian weapons, the evasion path is a good idea, pup can be a very good tank and those may help since we're an evasion-oriented job. Also the pet mab for the few times when you're on nuke-only duty(could happen!)
Cap magic skill(even merits).
Remember to macro af gloves and buffoon collar for manuevers(in case you don't already), and never tp in those.

Um...I think that's it.

[Lisotte]

BTW, Lushipur, you're shown as a brd (with brd stuff equipped) on ffxiah.

As for equipping stuff for macros, I guess the reason I see people in aurora feet with most/all the rest being empy must be because of that reason lol. I've been lazy, just using af for a while (hey cut me a little slack, pre-70 you can equip probably almost anything and still level up just fine). However, now that I've got my aurora I'm planning on macroing stuff (which sounds rather annoying tbh; since I don't know of any way to move a line in a macro down I'll need to re-write most of the lines completely; for the second time too since I put it in the macro to tell my my auto's hp mp and tp with every macro).

BTW I'm using savate fists, with acc +5 and eva+4 on them. Should I be able to use these till I get burt? And aurora till I get AF3, w/out +1?

Also... the consensus in this thread seems to be that I should definately get burt and stringing pummel. Most other places seem to favour vere with victory smite (reason being that crit ws's seem to be king in aby). Now is this ya'll's opinion that in aby SP is better than VS, or is SP basically the thing to tide me over till I finish some really long weapon trials for it? Either way I think I'll be getting SP and Burt; sure sounds annoying but doable, while empy stuff sounds very long time before I can get it.