[dev1135] Beastmaster 2-Hour Ability Comments After Testing.

[Caketime]

Apparently not, Frank. At this point I'm positive they don't play the job and have no idea what to do with it, hence this "defensive ability".

[Vandheer]

Anyone get around to testing the specifics of this Stoneskin effect? Its duration, if it has a cap (tough to test but would be good to know), if it can be dispelled... Until we get some more results we can work with theres nothing else we can do but continue to disagree with SE and this 2-hour and feed them our ideas for a 2-hour in hopes that they listen.

In the spoiler text bellow are two ideas for a new 2-hour we posted either of which I would like to see implemented to replace this new pet eating 2-hour.

I'd love to have a pet called via 2-hour that is a total badass. Ideally I'd like for the pet to stick around for 30 minutes just as Familiar makes charmed pets stick around for 30 minutes. The pet itself would have high stats to make it 2-hour worthy and not just an average pet perhaps with more then 1 killer trait.

I suggest that we get an ability that allows us to ignore the restriction of having only one pet at a time. Have the current pet go into a semi-NPC status, no longer controllable and attacking automatically, while allowing us to charm or call another normal pet. Certain enemy beastmasters, like Gig'ghi Cockchopper, can have 2 pets out at once. We should be able to do this too.

I have one request when submitting feedback. We have been seeing comments stating that “we don’t want this” and “totally remake it.” Your feedback is something we wish to utilize in our efforts to make the game better, so instead please try to be as specific as you can with how you’d like it aspects to change.

You asked for us to be more specific with what we want SE, I do hope you know that implies your willing to listen.

[Raborn]

Suggestion for a modified version of the Beastmaster 2 hour -

"Places your pet in a weakened state, in order to boost the master and parties defensive capabilities."

Pet: (Slow+20% Attack-50% Defense-50% and locks Ready/Snarl so TP moves cannot be used for the duration of the effect)

Effect: Grants a Stoneskin and Regen Effect to all members within range. (Regen is 100 hp / tick, Stoneskin effect roughly 1/4 the pets maximum HP) Duration: 2 minutes.
Secondary Effect: Master and Party members gain intimidation and defensive killer traits of the called pet at maximum capacity. (Secondary Effect only works with jug pets active). Duration: 1 minute.

The idea of having 2 active pets at once is too good to be true. But I'd like to say that would be fun to watch as well. I'd rather that not be a 2 hour though :P. (Make bst the only pet based job in the game capable of controlling more than 1 monster).

[Hashmalum]

The idea of having 2 active pets at once is too good to be true. But I'd like to say that would be fun to watch as well. I'd rather that not be a 2 hour though :P. (Make bst the only pet based job in the game capable of controlling more than 1 monster).

What if it's only active for 5 minutes. After that the NPC-type leaves (or decharms). Hey, if SE absolutely demands that the new 2 hour get rid of our pet, that's ok... as long as it sticks around for 5 minutes of tag-teaming action first!

[Vandheer]

Hey everyone,

The new 2-hours were developed based on the idea that they would share the existing 2-hour ability's recast timer and players would be selecting which ability to use based on the situation. Instead of these being a higher-tier or universal abilities that can be used for any situation, they are abilities that are designed to be used for specialized conditions.

Hmmm well I suppose this makes sense, they can't give us a 2-hour that calls 2 pets or a single badass pet because it would be better then Familiar. I can accept that but I can't accept killing off our pets. While I can easily see how this 2-hour would be used in a different situation then when wed use Familiar it is to dependent on the Beastmaster being underprepared for whatever they have gotten themselves into. Then of corse theres the issue of the legitimacy of "eating our pets" actually being applied to Beastmaster biased on the story and idea of the Beastmaster job itself.

Amongst the feedback we have been receiving, there have been a lot of comments about changing the effects, reducing the 2-hour recast time, removing the shared recast timer aspect, and other ideas for largely changing the concept. It may take a bit of time to discuss and look into all of these, but we are planning to spend time on this without rushing implementation so that these are abilities that everyone is satisfied with.

This is good news that your willing to keep at this until everyone (the majority at least) is satisfied with these 2-hours. I don't mind Beastmaster having a 2-hour that shares a timer with familiar nor do i mind this concept of 2 different situational 2-hours... so long as the new 2-hour will actually have a use to Beastmaster and keeps to the ideas of the Beastmaster job.

The idea is that Familiar will increase the pet’s offensive capabilities, while the new 2-hour ability will enhance the master’s defensive capability.

Familiar at its most basic is to increase the pet's offensive capabilities... (Though I'm unaware how it does this without Monster Trousers +2 for +10% Haste, anyone have any insight here?) This new 2-hour was supposed to enhance the master's defensive capabilities though its at the cost of our pet. Perhaps we can start in replacing this current new 2-hour by replacing the idea of enhancing the master's defensive capabilities? Ideas anyone?

I will share my own ideas once I've had a chance to brainstorm a bit and wrap my head around this.

[Malthar]

I've just had a brilliant insight of what the beastmaster 2hr *should be*. Grant the 2hr to the pet specific to the job.
For example: The fish is warrior. Grant mighty strikes to the fish when the new 2hr is used.
The mandy is a monk. Grant hundread fists to the mandy when the new 2hr is used.

[FrankReynolds]

Why not reverse it? Refill the pets HP, increase the pet's max HP and give it a stone-skin effect equal to the HP of the master.

[Malthar]

I think I like my idea better.

[FrankReynolds]

I think I like my idea better.

Better hope they don't give your war pet the new 2 hour ability instead :P

[deces]

Square Enix has been waving a carrot over our heads about a new 2 hour for over a year, and this is the best they can come up with? Dev team should of got fired too.