Cure V, Raise II Where?

[rog]

I can't help but think that WHM deserves to be able to heal even more with this statement. After all, WHM's ability to cure a percentage of a player's HP is steadily declining as well.

I agree actually. Cure 6 should be buffed. I wouldn't be opposed to a cure7 that could heal over 3k either.

[Valkrist]

Sorry, I was editing my post a tiny bit after proof reading it again. So the quote isn't the same as what was you were replying to.

It's true that Cure VI is underwhelming, but that's besides the point of this debate.

[Frost]

The obvious solution here is to give Whm an A in enfeebling, Slow II, Para II, etc....

Trolling aside, RDM is just now realizing their limits, where there were none before. The reason this thread exists is because "We need a Whm" has come up more and more. Believe it or not, that's a good thing. For YEARS Rdm has been doing what Whm has and then some. Show me a WHM that can solo Suzaku, or any other HNM at 75.

There's no legitimate reason for Rdm to have Cure V or higher at this time, given the level of versatility the job already possesses. Why aren't you guys asking for Tier V nukes? Or Ancient Magic? Or Banish III/Holy?

You want Cure V to Eliminate the need for a Whm again, that's not job balance, that's job dominance. And we had that with Rdm for the last 8 years...

[rog]

The obvious solution here is to give Whm an A in enfeebling, Slow II, Para II, etc....

Trolling aside, RDM is just now realizing their limits, where there were none before. The reason this thread exists is because "We need a Whm" has come up more and more. Believe it or not, that's a good thing. For YEARS Rdm has been doing what Whm has and then some. Show me a WHM that can solo Suzaku, or any other HNM at 75.

There's no legitimate reason for Rdm to have Cure V or higher at this time, given the level of versatility the job already possesses. Why aren't you guys asking for Tier V nukes? Or Ancient Magic? Or Banish III/Holy?

You want Cure V to Eliminate the need for a Whm again, that's not job balance, that's job dominance. And we had that with Rdm for the last 8 years...

Not having options is a good thing? Really?

[Frost]

Not having options is a good thing? Really?

You have options. You're just choosing not to use them.

Option A: use a job that CAN cure, cure faster, (arguably more frequently) that can also Enfeeble(Cripple really), Nuke, etc lowering the need for more cures/larger cures.

or:

Option B: use a job that can cure for greater amounts, but does not possess any real ability to impede the mob in any meaningful way or do damage to the mob either.

[rog]

You have options. You're just choosing not to use them.

Option A: use a job that CAN cure, cure faster, (arguably more frequently) that can also Enfeeble(Cripple really), Nuke, etc lowering the need for more cures/larger cures.

or:

Option B: use a job that can cure for greater amounts, but does not possess any real ability to impede the mob in any meaningful way or do damage to the mob either.

Whm still has slow1, which caps at 29.3%. That really isn't that much worse than slow2.

If a dd was needed, a dd would be invited. Not sure why you even mentioned that.

Rdm can NOT cure faster than whm. They both easily cap cast time for cures.

They also cannot cure more frequently, since whm has both cure 5 and 6 which can easily be alternated for high hp cures very frequently, and then also cure4 as a third viable cure. Rdm only has one cure that's even worth casting.

The choice between rdm and whm as a healer is an illusion. Only one of them can really get the job done.

[Bigboy]

Whm still has slow1, which caps at 29.3%. That really isn't that much worse than slow2.

If a dd was needed, a dd would be invited. Not sure why you even mentioned that.

Rdm can NOT cure faster than whm. They both easily cap cast time for cures.

They also cannot cure more frequently, since whm has both cure 5 and 6 which can easily be alternated for high hp cures very frequently, and then also cure4 as a third viable cure. Rdm only has one cure that's even worth casting.

The choice between rdm and whm as a healer is an illusion. Only one of them can really get the job done.

So you admit a deficiency on their part (This is a game where a few % make a huge difference). Then you go on to say that RDM doesn't cure faster that WHM... Well at this point, it's obvious you haven't been playing the job.

A cure that lands earlier for less saves more lives for one too slow to get there before death.

I could go on about how you don't understand that Cure V is nearly hate free and giving RDM a quick, spammable, low hate, huge cure would remove the need for any other healing classes in the game, but this information has been available for years now, and if you don't know how to look up the spell characteristics now, I cant expect you to go do so now, just because someone disagreed with you.

[Tamarsamar]

The obvious solution here is to give Whm an A in enfeebling, Slow II, Para II, etc....

Trolling aside, RDM is just now realizing their limits, where there were none before. The reason this thread exists is because "We need a Whm" has come up more and more. Believe it or not, that's a good thing. For YEARS Rdm has been doing what Whm has and then some. Show me a WHM that can solo Suzaku, or any other HNM at 75.

There's no legitimate reason for Rdm to have Cure V or higher at this time, given the level of versatility the job already possesses. Why aren't you guys asking for Tier V nukes? Or Ancient Magic? Or Banish III/Holy?

You want Cure V to Eliminate the need for a Whm again, that's not job balance, that's job dominance. And we had that with Rdm for the last 8 years...

THANK YOU.

Seriously, it's about time that we aren't putting White Mages out of a job or forcing them to level Red Mage any more.

[Skylark]

The obvious solution here is to give Whm an A in enfeebling, Slow II, Para II, etc....

Trolling aside, RDM is just now realizing their limits, where there were none before. The reason this thread exists is because "We need a Whm" has come up more and more. Believe it or not, that's a good thing. For YEARS Rdm has been doing what Whm has and then some. Show me a WHM that can solo Suzaku, or any other HNM at 75.

There's no legitimate reason for Rdm to have Cure V or higher at this time, given the level of versatility the job already possesses. Why aren't you guys asking for Tier V nukes? Or Ancient Magic? Or Banish III/Holy?

You want Cure V to Eliminate the need for a Whm again, that's not job balance, that's job dominance. And we had that with Rdm for the last 8 years...

Really?..... I still don't see how you can so easily argue that RDM doesn't need some higher tier cure spell. RDM can't keep up curing as is, there's no other way around it. Put on all the fast cast gear you can and whatever Cure POT gear RDM can equip and it's still not going to come close to amount of healing that a standard melee needs in abyssea. Tier V nukes really? They just recently gave these to BLM, I seriously doubt RDM will be getting the tier V spells any time soon. Ancient Magic sucks, even when leveling BLM the only reason to use any AM was in Kuftal doing timed SC / MB on crabs, RDM would really not have any need for AMs aside from proccing grellow. Even then you are pushing BLM a little to the side. Banish and holy would both suck on RDM, no solace to build a charge, and lolRDM divine magic.

[Mojo]

Dunno what's so hard to understand about it, but giving RDM & SCH Cure V would not put WHM out of a job. They have far too many other benefits that would make them superior. The truth is that inside Abyssea, neither RDM nor SCH are even viable options without Cure V.