Red Mage Melee Ideas

[Demon6324236]

I haven't used a Sanguine Blade atma setup in Abyssea. It's not like the WS would be doing so much less DMG outside.

Point is abyssea itself makes all the diffrence, atma & cruor buffs alike.

[ManaKing]

Please stop making my head hurt too much.

TP bonus and Int swords are bad and you should feel bad for even having such thoughts.

I've got a Store TP sword too, come at me! Lol

Int sword is the best damage sword for Sanguine Blade. Because you deal higher damage, you get more HP and the mob dies sooner. You also are using a 61 DMG sword instead of a 58 DMG sword and the DPS is higher.

You also get the MAB for nuking. If you aren't going to change to a staff because you care about your TP because you are using sanguine blade to begin with, then Int/MAB sword is better for a Sanguine Blade setup.

[Rooj]

I want to see the math.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Well yes, it's the best SB sword, if all you did was use SB outside of brew. Or I've just gotten to the point I don't rely on SB much.

Of that path the one worth making would have been WSDMG if you used SB for chainkills while brewing.

[Karbuncle]

I've got a Store TP sword too, come at me! Lol

Request Accepted.

Int sword is the best damage sword for Sanguine Blade.

Yes, This is probably the case.

Because you deal higher damage,

False. a STR Magian Paths Significant Increase to White Damage (Melee) Would far outweigh the benefit the INT/MAB Gives to Sanguine Blade. You are not doing higher Damage, You are getting more Epeen Shots, But your overall DoT has dropped Significantly. This is what i call "Epeen Syndrome" - Just because you make Pretty WS numbers doesn't mean your DPS/Damage is good.

Flame Magian Will also help all your other Weaponskills by some Degree, due to Attack/fSTR. Not to mention some Sword WS having the STR mod.

you get more HP and the mob dies sooner.

More HP Yes, Mob Dies Sooner? No. See above.

You also are using a 61 DMG sword instead of a 58 DMG sword and the DPS is higher.

Flame Magian and INT Magian are the same DPS. However the Benefits of Flame Magian Outweigh INT Magian. Sorry if this is not the comparison.

You also get the MAB for nuking

As a Mandau Wielding Melee RDM Myself, I think i speak for everyone when i say, this is why people laugh at Melee RDM.

Swords should Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-heeevvveeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr be considered for Nuking. If you want to Nuke, Use your Staves. If you're meleeing, You've given up the right to nuke effectively. As a Melee RDM, Your mindset should not be about balance, It should be about exceeding in the 1 field you are currently gearing up to do.

If you're Meleeing, You want to exceed at Melee. Gear appropriately.
If you're Magin', You want to Exceed at Magin'. Gear appropriately.

Don't gear for both at the same time or you look like a retard, and you're now doing neither of them effectively.

If you aren't going to change to a staff because you care about your TP because you are using sanguine blade to begin with, then Int/MAB sword is better for a Sanguine Blade setup.

Well, I think this statement is addequately Exploded and popped already from my previous installments.

INT Sword is a flat waste of time (I'm really sorry to anyone who made it), Which the only reason most of you made it is probably because the thought "Well, Ice weather is really easy and Ice Geodes are cheap!" passed through your head.

Flame Magian is all you'll ever need. Doing 100 more damage on your Sanguine Blades will not make up for the significant lose of DPS from the STR and Attack you get on the Flame Magian Path.

[ManaKing]

I don't use Sanguine Blade because you can't use it /NIN or /DNC. If you are in Dyna you have double dark all the time and if you have a mob at 25% then you can either use Requiescat (and overkill the mob) or Sanguine Blade (and recover some HP). Sanguine Blade is the better choice. Any time you would overkill a mob with TP and you aren't full on HP, Sanguine Blade is a good tool.

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The comparison was TP bonus sword to INT/MAB sword for Sanguine Blade. STR/Attack sword wasn't an option.

Furthermore, if you are using Sanguine Blade, currently, you wouldn't be using a STR/Attack sword because you wouldn't be dual wielding...since you can't. You would be using a prestige weapon.

I would disagree that you should make staves for RDM for nuking because you should just play BLM instead if that's what you are going to do. BUT you should make Staves for BLM. Otherwise the only place you can nuke without losing TP is directly after you WS.

[Karbuncle]

Oh and PS - I think Sanguine Blade is a wonderful Tool in the Right situations. Thats not in question. I figured I'd add that before the argument went there.

[saevel]

Of all your gear there are three slots that you can not change out while meleeing. They are Main, Sub and Ranged.

Due to this, you should NEVER gear those three purely for WS damage as WS damage is the lessor of RDM's damage sources (this is outside of specific scenarios like brewing / A.edge aoe burning / ect..). They should be focused on whatever gives you maximum total damage, which is almost always the STR sword, or whatever gives you better support capabilities (One of the cure Swords). Support options need to be mentioned separately as there will be times your out helping friends or farming something in a small group.

Sang Blade will never compete with CDC or Req for Ws damage, it's HP cured will never compete with Cure III / IV, and RDM gets a ton of MP replenishment so conserving MP isn't an issue. It's utility is that it's magic damage and there will be times when you wish you had it. I use it on BLU to restore HP when I need to converse MP, that is it's own real function (outside of brewing).

[ManaKing]

I'm giving 2 points to NQ for realizing we were talking about theoretical situations and taking them from Saevel and Karbuncle for not realizing it.

[Rooj]

I would disagree that you should make staves for RDM for nuking because you should just play BLM instead if that's what you are going to do. BUT you should make Staves for BLM. Otherwise the only place you can nuke without losing TP is directly after you WS.

I dont understand why there are no trial swords like there are the trial staves for magic damage... Super disappointing for RDM ;\