Oki, pass it on please. The beast community (at least those that can be botherred to wade through all the drivel on these forums to get to the meaningful content) has spoken, the answer is a RESOUNDING "NO!!!" to the new 2-hour. Scrap the concept completely and go back to the drawing board. Again, there are a myriad of suggestions from back when you guys 1st proposed new 2hours back at the inception of these forums. Disregarding anything similar to this useless piece of monkey dung the devs came up with and the obvious OP suggestions there were still plenty of viable alternatives to work from.
Seriously, if you didn't want the playerbase's input and opinions, why did you ask for them?
Thread: New 2-hour Abilities
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08-28-2012 08:57 AM #451(8)
08-29-2012 07:50 AM #452Player
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Correction: Making this 2hr apply to weapon skills would make it more powerful than mighty strikes when used against things that are incredibly strong / immune to physical damage (the only time you would ever use this).
Originally Posted by Okipuit
There is so much "broken" in your logic that I don't know what to say other than: instead of thinking about why you are right and we are wrong, try our idea first and see if it works. We already know that yours does not.
Just because you have figured out how to make a coffee warmer out of an Ipad doesn't mean that people want you to do it to theirs. The "different uses" that you refer to will never be used by any sane person. Trance sucks bad enough. Can we please have a really good one?
Originally Posted by Okipuit
This 2 hour ability is absolutely no good. I've read the JP forums and they say the same things. Stop acting like you don't understand the problem here. No one believes that a total moron can develop a video game. We know that you understand what we are trying to tell you. The pet needs to stay. I don't care if you add invincibility for 9 hours to the master. the pet has to stay. Did you hear that? The pet has to stay. Read that out loud. The pet has to stay. Is it sinking in yet? The pet has to stay.
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08-29-2012 08:05 AM #453@Frank,
you were a little vague there on the beast 2 hour. Are you saying the consensus opinion amongst beasts is that we need to keep our pets? That's my personal opinion, but the devs seem to be convinced that beasts feel differently.(0)
08-29-2012 08:06 AM #454Player
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yes. lol. ten character limit >.<
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08-30-2012 04:14 AM #455Player
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THE PET HAS TO STAY, no matter what!! Agreed totally. What kind of an idiot come up with this retarded new 2 hours for beast master, not to mention countless of extremely horrendous ideas for 2 hours for several jobs, ALL EXCEPT Samurai, which actually get one of the best new two hours, pretty much the best of the best from several jobs. The thing that is the most baffling is their constant ignorance to what the players are trying to tell them. Several threads already made suggestions and their stance is still, WE DO NOT CARE NOR LISTEN.... This is a very sad direction indeed....
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08-31-2012 08:06 AM #456Player
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I agree that the new BST 2 hour should not be one that consumes the pet. I'd like to see a new idea that enhances the pet in some way.
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08-31-2012 09:16 AM #457Player
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First thing I will say is that reading these 2 hour abilities was a painfull process. I will try to tackle these 1 at a time.....
Originally Posted by Camate
The new warrior 2 hour ability: seems fine if it's applied to weaponskills as well as swings, it would be viable for regular situational use.
The new monk 2 hour ability: This seems like a tanking 2 hour ability and a reasonable panic button for anything that doesn't use area of effect melee swings constantly. Sounds more like it should be done for paladin than monk to me.
The new white mage 2 hour ability: I can see it being situationally usefull. I hope it means -all- status ailments including death.
The new black mage 2 hour ability: back to the drawing board on this one. Just useless. maybe give black mages a job ability type spell like say "ultima" that consumes the mp pool entirely and does a solid 4000 unresistable damage.
The new red mage 2 hour ability: back to the drawing board on this one too. Seems a futile attempt at a 2 hour.
The new thief 2 hour ability: This may be quite usefull if repairs to the enmity mechanics are made, but it feels more like it should share a timer with trick attack and sneak attack, and do the same damage when bully is in effect on the monster that is targeted reguardless of another player standing there, rather than acting as a 2hr.... but if a 2 hour on it's own timer is what we get it's livable.
The new paladin 2 hour ability: I just don't know what you are trying to suggest here, this sounds like what reprisal should have been. I mean honestly, a 2 hour ability that mitigates all magic and breath damage whilest keeping the enemies attention focussed on the paladin for the duration of the 2 hour ability would have been a better option. And there are many better options posted on the forums no doubt.
The new dark knight 2 hour ability: this would have to be 100% procc to be usefull nothing resisting it. unlike blood weapon vs undead (a futile gesture, by way of illustration). And honestly, I think that dark knight would want something more damaging than tactical.
The new beastmaster 2 hour ability: I lack the vocabulary to describe what a bad idea this is.
The new ranger 2 hour ability: This seems like a potentially usefull 2 hour ability, I would suggest that all actions taken under this should generate 0 enmity, to make it worthy of having a 2 hour recast.
The new samurai 2 hour ability: This one seems about right for an ability you can use once every 2 hours.
The new ninja 2 hour ability: I can see the thinking on this one, but I doubt it will be well received by the player base, perhaps a rethink here too.
The new dragoon 2 hour ability: This is possibly the most pointless thing in the entire list. Start again please. I suggest something like a 2 hour where the player super jumps, the wyvern becomes constantly under the effect of deep breathing and the player takes control of the wyvern and can repeatedly use smiting breath, similar to chainspell but for breaths.
The new summoner 2 hour ability: This seems like it would be fun, if nothing else. I would suggest reducing the mp cost to 0 for this also.
The new blue mage 2 hour ability: I feel that unbridled learning should allow access to casting any spell that you have learnt although you wouldn't gain traits or bonuses from it as it's not set. That would make this 2 hour ability work. Otherwise just another gimmick.
The new corsair 2 hour ability: kind of acceptable imo, but people won't want to give up wild card for 2 hour resets so easily.
The new puppet master 2 hour ability: again this feels more like a gimmick than a well thought out 2 hour ability. however I'm less knowledgable about puppetmaster than any other job on the game, but surely we can do better.
The new dancer 2 hour ability: This must have sounded good on paper, but again this is a token 2 hour ability. please go back to the drawing board.
The new scholar 2 hour ability: This should be a spell that can be used under tabula rasa not a new ability.
Ofcourse these are just the oppinions of someone who's played the game since it was available in the uk.
I'm not saying my suggested fixes/instructions are the only way to go, just ideas. I'm sure there are better ones out there. I just feel something had to be said, these seem like 20 minute or even 30 minute timers would be better for them.
Even regular 2 hour abilities should probably be on 30-60 minute timers nowadays rather than 2 hour timers.(2)Last edited by Czeph; 08-31-2012 at 09:22 AM. Reason: typo
08-31-2012 09:43 AM #458Player
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Haven't gotten a lot of testing information for the White Mage 2hour from other players, but currently the word is that it doesn't block Death or Encumbrance. No word on if it even blocks Bard songs or Doom, let alone Amnesia, Charm, or anything else special, but I'm guessing it probably doesn't until I hear otherwise.
Perfect Defense blocks many enfeebles in addition to blocking damage from really harming players. White Mages can remove many enfeebles with lightning speed.
I'm guessing it won't get tested by people with current Test Server access and will go on the main servers to never get touched again, kinda how Benediction can't even remove Bard songs from players.(2)
08-31-2012 10:17 AM #459Player
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The last thing THF needs is another JA sharing a timer with something else, we have enough of those already. This ability would have to do a substantial amount of damage to warrant a 2hr recast, it's basically TA on a 2hr timer. It's unlikely to do any meaningful damage since SE seems reluctant to improve THF`s DD potential while at the same time giving all our abilities to other jobs and buffing those more than THF.The new thief 2 hour ability: This may be quite usefull if repairs to the enmity mechanics are made, but it feels more like it should share a timer with trick attack and sneak attack, and do the same damage when bully is in effect on the monster that is targeted reguardless of another player standing there, rather than acting as a 2hr.... but if a 2 hour on it's own timer is what we get it's liveable.
An ability along the lines of 100% triple attack for 30seconds-1min would be worlds better than this. That or SCH`s proposed 2hr.(3)
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Rather than a static number, lets go with something a bit more fun! It allows you to cast Ultima on a mob, single target, takes all MP, damage is unresistable and deals 5 times the users current MP.
Originally Posted by Czeph
Honestly I see this as 1 of the worse 2-hours we are getting. BRD is in the same line as a COR in a way, however COR has to use a 2-hour for 1 more buff where as with the Emp Harp a BRD can already do upto 4 songs at any time. Seems a bit unbalanced on the buffer side in my opinion.The new corsair 2 hour ability: kind of acceptable imo, but people won't want to give up wild card for 2 hour resets so easily.
Agreed, this ability is 100% worthless in the current game when put beside Tabula Rasa.The new scholar 2 hour ability: This should be a spell that can be used under tabula rasa not a new ability.
Yep, abilities like these are to long and too weak now days, I was hoping these 2-hours would be worth the wait but SE once again let us all down, except SAM, SAM is wonderful.Ofcourse these are just the oppinions of someone who's played the game since it was available in the uk.
I'm not saying my suggested fixes/instructions are the only way to go, just ideas. I'm sure there are better ones out there. I just feel something had to be said, these seem like 20 minute or even 30 minute timers would be better for them.
Even regular 2 hour abilities should probably be on 30-60 minute timers nowadays rather than 2 hour timers.(2)
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