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    Player MarkovChain's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insaniac View Post
    That's not entirely true. I've seen it killed with EA/Scherzo but it took an entire alliance and it wasn't pretty.
    No it's impossible w/e you invent. It can hit the I kill you button anytime.

    For instance dynamis rupture : very large aoe kcnock back high damage, instant casting aga3 and 4 and all aoe debuff( sleepga, silencga, breakga) which he spams. Oblivion smash puts your ally at half HP, and it's likely to chain it with an aga spell, so if it does it you are likely dead, if not, you have silence,bind, paralyze on. When he split, he does rupture or oblivion which kills everyone regardless.

    I've seen ADL instant wipe us even with PD on. When it quadruple splits (<20% hp), it does a synch dynamis implosionx4, each doing 600 dmg while PD is up, his aga 4 1k with shellraV etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    No it's impossible w/e you invent.
    wanna bet 5 marrows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    I want to say that there's a middle ground here but this isn't really middle ground. A lot of old systems were shit. Some new systems aren't much better. What's in the middle of shit and shit? More Shit. So no, I don't want a middle ground. I want something good.
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    >Twilight Scythe is overpowered that's why we're nerfing it
    >Weapons with double damage compared to relic

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    No it's impossible w/e you invent. It can hit the I kill you button anytime.

    For instance dynamis rupture : very large aoe kcnock back high damage, instant casting aga3 and 4 and all aoe debuff( sleepga, silencga, breakga) which he spams. Oblivion smash puts your ally at half HP, and it's likely to chain it with an aga spell, so if it does it you are likely dead, if not, you have silence,bind, paralyze on. When he split, he does rupture or oblivion which kills everyone regardless.

    I've seen ADL instant wipe us even with PD on. When it quadruple splits (<20% hp), it does a synch dynamis implosionx4, each doing 600 dmg while PD is up, his aga 4 1k with shellraV etc.
    Not inventing anything. I've seen it. It would never be anywhere near as reliable as a PD strat but it can be done.
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    Can't imagine EA or Scherzo doing much of anything since most of his AoE's do about 700~800 damage at level 99, Which isn't going to be high enough to activate either of those, unless your HP Is only 1k~1.2k or so.

    But yah, Nerfing Perfect Defense is going to make Arch Dynamis Lord pretty much impossible, and nerfing Neo-Nyzul Isle is going to make that even more difficult(not impossible) for non-bot/flee Players, since that plays a huge role in it.

    Long story short - SE is taking the nerf bat to the only two relevant events Absolute Virtue style, May as well hurry and get it down now since they never do a "Light Nerf".

    perfect Defense is probably going to be changed to give maybe a 50% DT if we're lucky, probably half Duration too.
    Embrava? Probably nerf the Effects of Haste down to 20% At best, Regain 3TP, and Regen half of what it is now.

    There is no such thing as a moderation when it comes to SE nerfs. RNG anyone?

    Anyone?

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    Negativity out of the way, I really enjoy the changes the new 2hours will be seeing, Which makes me quit happy. That for sure is a step in the right direction. Even though that horrible sentence in the last spoiler makes me weep for the future of any level 99 Relic Weapon or Nyzul Gear, since it will be 99% impossible for players past the nerf to obtain, I like the updates, and thank you for Translating them for us.
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    Okipuit giving good news? Someone's no longer the new guy I guess
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    Remake the new BST 2hr from ground up and while your at it rework Run Wild to not despawn your pet.
    The only time I use Run wild is when I get the 5 min warning at the end of dynamis.

    Suggestion for new 2 hour: Morphs Current jug pet to a Mini King HNM or another style NM like Chloris, which it chooses will be random. Duration 30 mins when used with current 2hr extends time by another 15-30 mins.

    Or if your lazy for something like that do the opposite of what it does now Take HP from us up to 50% of current HP and give the pets like 3 times that and give the pet haste erase stoneskin and whatever else was there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zubis View Post
    Isn't that the point of this change? Mix things up so you don't see shouts looking for SMN's and SCH's anymore.
    No I don't think that's the point of this change and these JAs don't just make the events mentioned easier. They are what make them possible so you would go from seeing shouts for schs and smns to seeing no shouts at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
    Disagree completely. Both Embrava and Perfect Defence is SEVERELY OP on 30 minutes, especially compared to EVERY other 2-hour in the game. Just because a way exists to abuse 2-hour reset doesn't change that.
    Your argument is completely illogical. Shortening the timer doesn't affect the power of the abilities at all. If they increased duration or effect it would make them stronger. All a 30 minute timer would mean is no resets required after Nyzul and Legion runs and resets as pointed out by Raksha are easy and plentiful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ophannus View Post
    Our DDs get ADL from 100% to 50% in less than 30 seconds without WSing at all and we usually turn for 10-15second till he splits. I'm sure if we wanted to, we could CS Stun ADL for 75 seconds with a RDM/BLM aand DDs would kill him in 30-45 seconds(since we get him to 50% without WSing at all in 30 seconds, I'm sure with WS spamming we could take him out before he splits)
    ADL will always split he will split while stunned too. There's no getting around it or the linked TP moves his clones do right after splitting because he is still immune to all damage and stun effects.
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    Player Daniel_Hatcher's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insaniac View Post
    No I don't think that's the point of this change and these JAs don't just make the events mentioned easier. They are what make them possible so you would go from seeing shouts for schs and smns to seeing no shouts at all.

    Your argument is completely illogical. Shortening the timer doesn't affect the power of the abilities at all. If they increased duration or effect it would make them stronger. All a 30 minute timer would mean is no resets required after Nyzul and Legion runs and resets as pointed out by Raksha are easy and plentiful.

    ADL will always split he will split while stunned too. There's no getting around it or the linked TP moves his clones do right after splitting because he is still immune to all damage and stun effects.
    Unless they removed them, or nerfed them to like 1 Regain, 5% Haste and 10 Regen that isn't going to happen.

    They were overpowered before, reducing the timer to 30 minutes though will just show how over-powered they are.

    COR 2hr - Random, not worth relying on.
    MMM - Requires everyone to have said runes etc.... Not likely.
    Resheph - Fine!
    besieged - Random as hell when it happens.
    ISL chests - Unless you have a party in Abyssea, I sincerely doubt people will go build up lights and far them after EACH nyzul isle/event.
    Limbus Chests - Yeah, not happening.

    So in all you have MMM, COR and Reseph as probabilities with only two being a guarantee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
    Unless they removed them, or nerfed them to like 1 Regain, 5% Haste and 10 Regen that isn't going to happen.

    They were overpowered before, reducing the timer to 30 minutes though will just show how over-powered they are.

    COR 2hr - Random, not worth relying on.
    MMM - Requires everyone to have said runes etc.... Not likely.
    Resheph - Fine!
    besieged - Random as hell when it happens.
    ISL chests - Unless you have a party in Abyssea, I sincerely doubt people will go build up lights and far them after EACH nyzul isle/event.
    Limbus Chests - Yeah, not happening.

    So in all you have MMM, COR and Reseph as probabilities with only two being a guarantee.
    Cor 2hr - That's why you see shouts offering a reward, you do that until you find someone who sets your parties 2hr.
    MMM - It requires 1 person to have said runes, also the party can copy that tabula as many times as they want, and there's pretty much always already one up to copy at Duplidox anyway.
    Resheph/Awahondo - 1 Pop, no waiting, that's what we always do before Provenance Watcher.
    ISL Chests - You just go ask a party that's already got lights (pay them) for an isl chest, they're usually pretty happy, besides, not like it takes long to build azure, just go to anywhere where there's 100% x 16 azure mobs.
    Limbus Chests - Point is, SCH/Smn already get multi 2hrs there, though this old content is so easy to lowman now nobody cares about balancing it, it's cake without any 2hrs.
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    This will be very interesting to see.

    I imagine the Special ability (gonna have to stop calling at a 2hr ability) recast reduction meritting is going to be similiar to the current trade-offs for the 357 skill WS's. I think this is a really great idea. Alot of players have many jobs leveled, and this will make it interesting to see how to balance and prioritize between different Special JA's.

    The JA's that are short and go for burst damage will probably be prioritized by most players.

    1 hour recast IS really good for any current event. 30 min is actually sufficient for most.

    With a shorter duration, It think they could get away sharing the recast timer better between the 2 abilities, however it would still be difficult. The reason has been reiterated many times. Its much more difficult to balance 2 different abilities to each other. like the comments from numerous players about embrava. The new Sp ability doesn't look bad, but when trading it for Embrava, you'll never win. So, even though it might be more possible to keep the recast combined, its safer not to.

    The only question I would have after that is, if the recast is shared for other jobs? Will it reset Special abilities just by changing jobs unlike the current situation, OR will there be 2 categories for the special abilities to determine which is still waiting on the recast from one job to another.

    The last 2 boxes are ofcourse the most exciting. Alot of ideas have been shared and it will be interesting to see if any survive the rigor which Developers need to apply.
    The jobs have changed so much since the initial Special abilities have been designed, that it will be very interesting to see how they might be adjusted.

    As a BST main, I imagine a defensive special ability would be well received.. if the 'offensive' ability is adjusted as well.

    Frankly, this announcement is a HUGE, "WE are listening seriously to our playerbase" answer and it certainly makes a subscriber feel good.
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