[dev1058] SMN Two-hour abilities

[Luvbunny]

They need a minimum of 3 mnts on this since avatar can be slept, or one shotted, and it takes time to resummon and bring it to the NM - not to mention our MPs is not unlimited so being able to land 3-4 hits would be great. But watching the developer bros trying to come up with ideas and figuring out what the players want is like Comedy of Errors. They often fail spectacularly. If the new 2 hours ideas are a sign to come for 2012-2013 we probably would save us some money and headache by taking a year off since everything will hit a total low before they can be saved again.

[Arcon]

They need a minimum of 3 mnts on this since avatar can be slept, or one shotted, and it takes time to resummon and bring it to the NM - not to mention our MPs is not unlimited so being able to land 3-4 hits would be great.

Every job's 2hr can be completely fucked up if they're killed, slept, terrorized, petrified and sometimes even silenced or paralyzed, depending on the case. SMN even has a massive advantage (even over other pet jobs) in that they can respawn avatars immediately at no cost other than some time. 30 seconds is already enough to be a great 2 hour ability, one minute would be amazing (it would be enough to empty your entire MP pool including Convert), three minutes would be massively overpowered. Anything more than one minute is seriously unrealistic. I realize SMN's desire for some love (and it is well-deserved after the years of abuse), but that's just being greedy after already getting a great offer (and possibly the best new 2 hour ability out of the pool).

[Luvbunny]

Anything more than one minute is seriously unrealistic. I realize SMN's desire for some love (and it is well-deserved after the years of abuse), but that's just being greedy after already getting a great offer (and possibly the best new 2 hour ability out of the pool).

A minimum of 60-90 seconds is a must - not being greedy at all, but this a 2 hours job you know, not some 20 mnts JA. It should mean something substantial, and actually useful. Between BP rage and ward, and all those slow animations, 90 seconds would be decent. We need something as close as embrava, and no - Perfect Defense - does not count.

As a pet based job - summoner is the lowest on the totem pole. Beast and Pup both beat it easily when it comes to damage output. I mean if SE wants us to be a pet DD job with mp to put checks and balance then they need to tweak the avatar hp and damage. Otherwise they should revise our avatar favor ability. I mean look at scholar where they can be a very good magic damage and also buffer/healer with no disadvantage at being able to switch around as needed. We should be able to switch between pet DD (slightly less than beast) or buffers (quite good as bard or corsair but can only have 1 instead of 2 effects).

[Arcon]

A minimum of 60-90 seconds is a must - not being greedy at all, but this a 2 hours job you know, not some 20 mnts JA. It should mean something substantial, and actually useful. Between BP rage and ward, and all those slow animations, 90 seconds would be decent. We need something as close as embrava, and no - Perfect Defense - does not count.

As a pet based job - summoner is the lowest on the totem pole. Beast and Pup both beat it easily when it comes to damage output. I mean if SE wants us to be a pet DD job with mp to put checks and balance then they need to tweak the avatar hp and damage. Otherwise they should revise our avatar favor ability. I mean look at scholar where they can be a very good magic damage and also buffer/healer with no disadvantage at being able to switch around as needed. We should be able to switch between pet DD (slightly less than beast) or buffers (quite good as bard or corsair but can only have 1 instead of 2 effects).

Talk about being undeservingly entitled. Almost everything you just said reeks of greed and ignorance. Yes, this is a two-hour ability, that's why it increases our damage output immensely. Even with 30 seconds that would be enough for (at least) six BPs in 30 seconds. That's about a 900% increase in damage. That's nine times the normal damage you do. One minute duration would mean 1800% increase in damage. And you say up to 90 seconds is "minimum"? You say that's a 20min JA? Name any other ability (normal or two-hour) that increases damage output this much. Hell even Hundred Fists on a haste/MA-less MNK doesn't compare. The only reason it would win is because MNK does more damage natively already. But for a percentual boost, it outdoes Hundred Fists by a large margin.

And that's still disregarding your next inane statement. Perfect Defense is very much as good as Embrava. It's for defense what Embrava is for offense. Apart from Nyzul Isle Uncharted there's nothing I'm aware of that takes an Embrava without a matching Perfect Defense. It basically makes you immune to damage, including enfeebles. How is that not already amazing?

It sounds like you're just butthurt that you're just used as a PD whore and your SMN is not really considered outside of it. But know what? The exact same thing applies to SCH. No, SCH is not a "very good magic damage" dealer. They're about average. Average at something that even great is not enough for. How many BLM do you know who are called to deal damage? BLM is a proc job these days. For proper events it's entirely unwelcome, unlike SMN.

And what does this have to do with Avatar's Favor? How is that related to being a DD? And why the BST comparisons? Yes BST is a better DD but so is WAR. Just because they're both pet jobs doesn't mean they're the same, BST and SMN are used for entirely different purposes. Need a dispensable mob? BST fails completely. Need magic damage? BST fails completely. Comparing them is pointless.

If you're at all serious about anything you said, you are entirely delusional to a degree that's hard to comprehend. I fear I'm getting trolled here big time. And if that was indeed your goal, kudos, you got me.

If you wanna take anything away from this post, let it be this: I love SMN. I would love for SMN to get actual boosts. But this two-hour ability does not count. Not because it isn't amazing (it most certainly and definitely is), but because two-hour abilities are, by design, almost useless. We need something outside of situational abilities that will help boost our skills, be it offensive or defensive. Two-hour abilities should never have been in the game at all. But as far as they go, this one is truly awesome.