[dev1058] SMN Two-hour abilities

[Luvbunny]

Anything more than one minute is seriously unrealistic. I realize SMN's desire for some love (and it is well-deserved after the years of abuse), but that's just being greedy after already getting a great offer (and possibly the best new 2 hour ability out of the pool).

A minimum of 60-90 seconds is a must - not being greedy at all, but this a 2 hours job you know, not some 20 mnts JA. It should mean something substantial, and actually useful. Between BP rage and ward, and all those slow animations, 90 seconds would be decent. We need something as close as embrava, and no - Perfect Defense - does not count.

As a pet based job - summoner is the lowest on the totem pole. Beast and Pup both beat it easily when it comes to damage output. I mean if SE wants us to be a pet DD job with mp to put checks and balance then they need to tweak the avatar hp and damage. Otherwise they should revise our avatar favor ability. I mean look at scholar where they can be a very good magic damage and also buffer/healer with no disadvantage at being able to switch around as needed. We should be able to switch between pet DD (slightly less than beast) or buffers (quite good as bard or corsair but can only have 1 instead of 2 effects).

[Arcon]

A minimum of 60-90 seconds is a must - not being greedy at all, but this a 2 hours job you know, not some 20 mnts JA. It should mean something substantial, and actually useful. Between BP rage and ward, and all those slow animations, 90 seconds would be decent. We need something as close as embrava, and no - Perfect Defense - does not count.

As a pet based job - summoner is the lowest on the totem pole. Beast and Pup both beat it easily when it comes to damage output. I mean if SE wants us to be a pet DD job with mp to put checks and balance then they need to tweak the avatar hp and damage. Otherwise they should revise our avatar favor ability. I mean look at scholar where they can be a very good magic damage and also buffer/healer with no disadvantage at being able to switch around as needed. We should be able to switch between pet DD (slightly less than beast) or buffers (quite good as bard or corsair but can only have 1 instead of 2 effects).

Talk about being undeservingly entitled. Almost everything you just said reeks of greed and ignorance. Yes, this is a two-hour ability, that's why it increases our damage output immensely. Even with 30 seconds that would be enough for (at least) six BPs in 30 seconds. That's about a 900% increase in damage. That's nine times the normal damage you do. One minute duration would mean 1800% increase in damage. And you say up to 90 seconds is "minimum"? You say that's a 20min JA? Name any other ability (normal or two-hour) that increases damage output this much. Hell even Hundred Fists on a haste/MA-less MNK doesn't compare. The only reason it would win is because MNK does more damage natively already. But for a percentual boost, it outdoes Hundred Fists by a large margin.

And that's still disregarding your next inane statement. Perfect Defense is very much as good as Embrava. It's for defense what Embrava is for offense. Apart from Nyzul Isle Uncharted there's nothing I'm aware of that takes an Embrava without a matching Perfect Defense. It basically makes you immune to damage, including enfeebles. How is that not already amazing?

It sounds like you're just butthurt that you're just used as a PD whore and your SMN is not really considered outside of it. But know what? The exact same thing applies to SCH. No, SCH is not a "very good magic damage" dealer. They're about average. Average at something that even great is not enough for. How many BLM do you know who are called to deal damage? BLM is a proc job these days. For proper events it's entirely unwelcome, unlike SMN.

And what does this have to do with Avatar's Favor? How is that related to being a DD? And why the BST comparisons? Yes BST is a better DD but so is WAR. Just because they're both pet jobs doesn't mean they're the same, BST and SMN are used for entirely different purposes. Need a dispensable mob? BST fails completely. Need magic damage? BST fails completely. Comparing them is pointless.

If you're at all serious about anything you said, you are entirely delusional to a degree that's hard to comprehend. I fear I'm getting trolled here big time. And if that was indeed your goal, kudos, you got me.

If you wanna take anything away from this post, let it be this: I love SMN. I would love for SMN to get actual boosts. But this two-hour ability does not count. Not because it isn't amazing (it most certainly and definitely is), but because two-hour abilities are, by design, almost useless. We need something outside of situational abilities that will help boost our skills, be it offensive or defensive. Two-hour abilities should never have been in the game at all. But as far as they go, this one is truly awesome.

[Badieh]

So.... no one knows the new 2h duration?....

[Infidi]

30 seconds isn't it ?

[Babekeke]

It is indeed 30 second duration. With charge time, you're lucky to get more than 5 BPs off in this time.

[Badieh]

It is indeed 30 second duration. With charge time, you're lucky to get more than 5 BPs off in this time.

Hmm... interesting.

[Infidi]

Tested this abit on the Test Server, I got off 6 Phys BPs barely. Five is indeed the more reasonable though, pending weird lag spikes and the like. Its KIND OF really 6 or 7(Getting off 5 or 6 within the 2hr time) as the timer is still reset after the last bp and the 2hr wears. So get a freebie kinda. I'm thinking as long as you get the animation going, but the two hour wears, it'll still count as a 'reset' for your timer. I dunno though didn't test that part yet. Anyone figure that out yet? ^^

[Arcon]

I dunno though didn't test that part yet. Anyone figure that out yet? ^^

I didn't test for that specifically, but I'm pretty sure that's the case, as BP timer is determined at activation time, not at spell effect time.

[Infidi]

Used dolls in {A} Altepa the first time, tested on Melo Melo this time so wouldn't have to worry about attacking another mob. Ignore the damage XD, was naked(also using Ducal Guard, Minikin, and Razed Ruins atmas) and using Garuda(wind -perp and bp time-) trial staff. Looks like 7 is max with the 'extra' one for the reset after 2hr wears. So potentially 8 in a row? Alittle more powerful then I thought was going to be. Barring you have the MP pool, para, other status ailments, etc. lol. Any thoughts? ^^


***EDIT***

Just had a thought! No one will probably read this before I answer, but: Does the 2hr reset an already used BP? Going to go test now. x.x I'm duuumb, should have thought of that before.!

***EDIT2***
It does indeed reset the BP timer. So potentially 9 BP in a row. Use Bp, use 2hr, then use last bp after 2hr wears.

[Arcon]

Does the 2hr reset an already used BP?

Yes, it does. Meaning it can give you an extra BP both at the start and at the end.