Relic and Empyrean jobs that can use them.

[Demon6324236]

Right, well it wouldn't exactly fix the entire problem but at least putting Rune on elemental trials would be a start. If nothing else they are meant to be a tank, and it would give them access to the potentially needed PDT/MDB Great Swords along with a STR GS for DDing. Like I said, not a fix, but a start.

[Nala]

Little off topic but any one know if there is a similar thread on the japanese side of the forums, curious if their of like mind on expanding access if so.

[Alistaire]

Yeah this is stupid. RNF (RNK) will be horribly gimped if it doesn't have access to some sort of legendary weapon. As it doesn't have emp access it won't have magian access either, so pretty much limited to AH weapons or Borealis.

Or to put it another way, without some sort of uber weapon, RNF is dead before it's even created. No amount of cosmetic flare will fix that.

And unless mythics become suddenly 4x easier to get (not just a little easier, I mean exactly 25% the effort/cost), then you're absolutely right.

This is a wonderful opportunity for SE to learn from their mistake of not including all jobs on appropriate relic weapons. The fact they haven't learned that and are making it even worse by not including these new jobs on empyrean weapons is just another thing adding up to the lack of faith that a full expansion will bring any new players to this game. If this expansion comes out and it's on par with how horribly SE has been listening to players lately, you might as well not even make it and close up servers.

Edit: ok close up servers is a bit too harsh. obviously I still enjoy the game enough to play it but the perfect analogy for FFXI is from Seinfeld. SE is the soup nazi. Great product you can't really get elsewhere, but the worst attitude/customer service you could possibly imagine. And I'm just one that will play till the game's done regardless of how horribly SE is managing it. Doesn't mean I (or anyone) should be quiet about telling SE how horribly they're managing it.

[Nala]

Considering how they always profess balance, it seems terribly unbalanced that most jobs get relics, nearly every job gets an empyrean, and all jobs get a mythic but because the job was added after the initial release of relics and empyrean they are SOL.

If they want to profess a lore stand point the fact that mythic were (/are going to be) added to newer jobs after the fact make even less sense.

[Demon6324236]

I think balance is almost never a real reason for them. Its just your typical fall back response for things. With alot of people the word "because" is their response when they don't want to answer something or cant be bothered. With SE its "balance", even when what is being asked for, or denied, has nothing to do with balance or even worse, its unbalanced! Like right now, no balance involved in this, in fact if anything its unbalanced by limiting the options of potentially powerful weapons for jobs released at a later date.

We are not stupid players, we are smart, if we weren't we would have never found out half of the things we know about this game that SE never bothered to tell us in the 1st place. But for some reason we are never really explained why things can not be done, I would rather a somewhat lengthy response from a rep explaining what would be offset with Relics/Emps being added to these jobs, instead of just balance and leaving it at that.

Another word they like to use as a fall back seems to be "congestion" because when an event is limited to being a time sink what do we get as reasoning? Its to limit congestion, something we don't actually see in any events. The only event that could be considered congested is Abyssea, which is the most open of them all!

[Alistaire]

Check his post history, not worth arguing with people like that.

Especially when you're wrong.

[saevel]

Remember SE's definition of "Balance" isn't about how strong a job is in relation to others but how much time is required to accomplish content. From their point of view, being able to acquire the gear / legendary weapon for recently released jobs in a matter of months is "unbalanced", they want you to spend a year or three on that job. Expect huge walls to be implemented to the acquisition of whatever gear they release for RNF / GEO, they want you to take forever to acquire the shinys.

Honestly SE just needs to get over it's own case of Evil Game Master, it's not US vs THEM.

[scaevola]

Nothing to really add, other than that I am a player who is acutely aware of just how short ALL of these weapons fall in a cost/benefit analysis and was never really motivated to do any of them (I literally only finished my first Empyrean, a Kannagi, yesterday), but if DNC were added to Mandau even I would start buying currency immediately.

[Theytak]

Honestly, the most aggravating thing about this whole situation is how totally silent SE is on the issue. You would think by now they would have clarified whether or not the new jobs will be able to use magian trial weapons (assuming that geomancer, being a magey~support job would probably want the magian staves), and will simply not have access to the physical trials that lead to emp weapons, but no, they're leaving it in the dark, and the longer it goes, the more heavy the implication that neither geomancer nor rune fencer will be able to access ANY of the magian trials, which is absolutely ridiculous.

[FrankReynolds]

Nothing to really add, other than that I am a player who is acutely aware of just how short ALL of these weapons fall in a cost/benefit analysis and was never really motivated to do any of them (I literally only finished my first Empyrean, a Kannagi, yesterday), but if DNC were added to Mandau even I would start buying currency immediately.

Seriously. If DNC could rock it, I would build one sooo fast.