Shaper's Shawl - Why?

[Triffle]

The cape is going to be completely free for me. I just started crafting and was on the verge of getting fishing done with. At 88 fishing, I started catching Cave Cherax for skill ups. By 100 I'll have plenty of bait to try starting to fish for it. By 110 I should probably have one.

I love that they added this to fishing, as fishing was pretty much useless for everything except cooking, NPCing the fish and a few other recipes in a few other crafts. Thank you SE for finally making fishing relevant to all crafts.

[Sotek]

Nice to see people don't know what an opportunity cost is. I suppose if you finally get this cape after fishing up 127 Matsya all by yourself it hasn't cost you anything, right? Not a colossal time sink and there was never the alternative of selling those Matsya 1M each and earning 127M, or better yet finding a better source of gil.

Yep, this cape costs you absolutely nothing.

And why the hell should Fishing be relevant to every craft? It's completely relevant to Cooking and somewhat to Alchemy and Bonecraft, most crafts only have three or four relevant subcrafts and Fishing isn't even a bloody craft to begin with. There is no single craft that is absolutely relevant to every single other craft and requires you to get 110 in it in order to get materials for skill up recipes 1-110 in every other craft. If Fishing is to be relevant to every craft I demand Mining, Harvesting and Logging be too, rather than being relevant to only a few crafts like they are currently.

[Triffle]

Someone's mad that they haven't leveled fishing. QQ As for no single craft that is relevant to all other crafts, I never realized Synergy was a Combat Skill. Last I checked it's about as much a craft as Fishing was.

Also I've yet to see how these will make you the 100 million you're all talking about getting if you sold them. As of today I have yet to see people actively buy Matsya's for anywhere close to the prices people spout, at least on Asura. Only 2 people have actually bought the fish for 600k and 1M on the AH during the first few days of the hype. Good luck catching a tonne and trying to sell them.

Meanwhile I'll soon be getting a permanent version of Macaroons for free while you continue to whine about it.

[Sotek]

Really? I literally just said Fishing wasn't a craft (because it isn't), want to guess what Synergy is?

Nice to see you know what Bazaars are, too. The AH is totally the only way to sell anything, but even ignoring that, I'm pretty sure I said rather than fishing these and selling them, you could find better sources of gil and make more money that way. Oh look, I did say that.

Feel free to coat your posts in more "HURHUR U MAD", really drives the point home that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

[Triffle]

/em Looks at the Bazaars of fisherman trying to sell them and notices them going for 600kish and not selling for days on end.

I though I mentioned that the reason I will be getting it is because I want to get the skill to 110. Why would I look for better sources of money when money isn't what I'm going for. Is the money going to help me level fishing? Last I checked it won't. Will catching Cave Cherax get me skill ups? Pretty sure they will since they cap at 110.

Will getting the cape for free help me get other crafts up faster later? Yes it will. I've still yet to see where I'm losing out considering I'm doing what I already was before.

[Sotek]

Nice to see people don't know what an opportunity cost is. I suppose if you finally get this cape after fishing up 127 Matsya all by yourself it hasn't cost you anything, right? Not a colossal time sink and there was never the alternative of selling those Matsya 1M each and earning 127M, or better yet finding a better source of gil.

Nice to see you know what Bazaars are, too. The AH is totally the only way to sell anything, but even ignoring that, I'm pretty sure I said rather than fishing these and selling them, you could find better sources of gil and make more money that way. Oh look, I did say that.

I bolded it for you since you seemed to be having a hard time grasping this most basic of concepts.

[Triffle]

Congratulations, you need other better sources of gil. I need better sources of getting fishing skill ups. Turns out the best way to get those are Cave Cherax all the way to 110. The couple extra hours spent gutting them and fishing up Matsya won't make much of a difference, except to the fact that I'll spend less time skilling up other crafts.

Turns out I'm not the only one in this position. I see plenty of people these days at the Fountain of Kings skilling up on Cave Cherax and trying to get themselves bait for a free cape. Did you realize maybe that not all updates are supposed to help you personally? There are other people who play this game differently than you do.

[Sotek]

Oh so you're assuming you'll 100% obtain this cape from the Cave Cherax and resulting Matsya you can catch from skilling up alone? That's nice. Do Cave Cherax even stack? If they don't then a couple extra hours is a major understatement.

Considering we have claims of people going 0/115 on this cape and Dwarf Pugils are ~25% chance to obtain from gutting, do you really think you'll fish up over 460 Cave Cherax while skilling up?

[Triffle]

Probably more Cherax than that. Going from 88.2 to 91.3 using a Pelican Ring for extra skill ups, I've caught over 130 Cave Cherax. The other recommended fish for skill ups till 108 are Armored Pisces. Also they're terrible for skill ups. Even with the ring, I spent a day fishing them up and only got .4 skillups.

Not to mention with Armored Pisces you don't even get cash from since the NPC is far away from the fishing spot. Cave Cherax I get 800 gil per fish by gutting them and I've gotten 29 bait from them so far. Considering 110 is far away, I'm fairly certain by the time I get there I can get enough bait to get a cape for me and my 2 mules or just sell the excess ones to the people who you supposedly see buying them.

Basically this Cape is a reward for Fisherman since 100-110 doesn't really make a difference. We don't have any new useful fish to fish up, while other crafts get the ability to get easier HQ's and a few new recipes. Don't just look from your point of view, considering you probably don't even have higher than 20 fishing, look from the view of the fishing population.

[Sotek]

Regardless, your favorable position when it comes to obtain this is hardly justification for this item. Considering your throw out comments like "Someone's mad that they haven't leveled fishing. QQ" its fairly easy to see your obvious bias. You're in a relatively good position to obtain this cape so that makes it perfectly OK, the opinions of literally every other person that has posted in this thread mean nothing because you're lucky enough to have still been skilling up when they introduced this.

I've already made literally every point I can make about how ridiculous this cape is previously in this topic so I'm certainly not going to reiterate them. Needless to say, you're deluding yourself if you think it's acceptable for SE to introduce an item like this with only an extreme minority having a reasonable chance of obtaining it for a reasonable cost.

Basically this Cape is a reward for Fisherman since 100-110 doesn't really make a difference. We don't have any new useful fish to fish up, while other crafts get the ability to get easier HQ's and a few new recipes. Don't just look from your point of view, considering you probably don't even have higher than 20 fishing, look from the view of the fishing population.

I've looked at it from a Fishers view point. If I was a Fisher I'd rather have Matsya used to obtain something of value so it can act as a new source of income.

You try looking at it from the crafters view point. SE added 110 crafting with an extremely high cost to even come close to obtain it. Skill up rates are abysmal and you have costs of 500k~1M per synthesis. Something to help with skill up rates was desperately needed and SE goes and introduces it so it only benefits the 0.1% of the games population who are midway through leveling Fishing? You expect people to be OK with that? If this was something to benefit Fishers then it should have been related to Fishing.