Discussion Involving All Pet Jobs

[Zyeriis]

Drg and bst both have npc a bst controls its pet while a drg works with it the best i can. THey both have npc but how they use them is different. Whm and blm both use magic but how they use them are different.



Thf has the ability to manipulate hate to away from pets or players giving the bst time to bring out another pet (or whaterver) then they can hide to remove enimity to have the pet tank again. or they can even give it away so the bst can but it back on thier pet.

Part 1: yet again, exactly?

Part 2: Thf isn't affected by corsair pet rolls, Drg is, because it's a pet job and has a pet. Thus thf would never get such an invite, as Drg is clearly the superior choice in that situation. If you want to argue that the thf can pull, so can the cor in this situation. Also, last I checked (pre-80 cap update), Thf's hate abilities don't work on pets. Sure, you can transfer hate to the Bst, but that's a horrible idea. Hide, sure, it would work but Dragoon actually has three abilities that shed enmity at this point in time, the two newer one's effects are also increased when you have your wyvern.

Side note: It is possible to manipulate your wyvern regardless of sub job via Super Jump (Wyvern performs Super Climb, allowing it to evade attacks while in the air with you, a form of support), Spirit Link (supports pet by healing it), there's also Smiting breath pet command and the Restoring breath pet command. What more do you need to classify Dragoon as a pet job? A Dimiss pet command...oh wait...has that too.

[Glamdring]

Blood pact timer should be re-evaluated and whether or not it should remain capped at -15 recast. Don't know why this cap exists in the first place and in my opinion it's just detrimental to smn at this stage in the game. Should at least be lowered.

play a bard for a bit, then let's discuss recast timers, lol!

[Zyeriis]

Brds are clearly just forgetful musicians. The sad part? They only know one song.

[Glamdring]

On-topic: I don't have extensive experience with any other pet jobs but there are changes I would like to see made to DRG such as Wyvern armor and a decrease of magical/physical damage taken as many mobs AoE often and with a 20 minute recast it's a pain to be Wyvernless for long periods of time since Soul and Spirit jumps rely on our wyvern being out for effectiveness.

I agree. However, in Abyssea I have had excellent luck with my pets using Aquatic Ardor or Despot Atmas to keep my beast pets out longer, I would assume it works for wyvrens as well. Still, something in the future like a Deus ex Automata for Drg would only be fair. Unfortunately, outside Abyssea you are totally screwed, agreed.

[Nattack]

dragoon is what id call a reverse role pet job.

while the other three focus on the pet, in drgs case, the pet focuses on the player. soloing is done by suggestion and not by command.

so, its not a pet job in the sense that your wyvern is kind of weak compared to all other pets. you can bring a bst, a pup, and a smn to the same party and strategize with pets, a drg is excluded. the idea is to play with very little hate on oneself, and throw more tanks at it. which is the reverse on how a drg uses their pet for solo.

[Zyeriis]

dragoon is what id call a reverse role pet job.

while the other three focus on the pet, in drgs case, the pet focuses on the player. soloing is done by suggestion and not by command.

so, its not a pet job in the sense that your wyvern is kind of weak compared to all other pets. you can bring a bst, a pup, and a smn to the same party and strategize with pets, a drg is excluded. the idea is to play with very little hate on oneself, and throw more tanks at it. which is the reverse on how a drg uses their pet for solo.

The Wyvern still relies upon the Dragoon in its entirety. It can do absolutely nothing without some form of input from the player be it a weaponskill, job ability, or spell.

[Nattack]

obviously?

[Zyeriis]

obviously?

Wasn't really disagreeing with you, not fully anyway.
Pup doesn't actually have a lot of control over their pet yet, it's considered a pet job (cause it has a pet that the player is there to support under some people's interpretation). My problem is, that's a matter of play style as the Whm Automaton does the opposite. So when that model is out, PUP is no longer qualified as a "pet job" but rather a "reverse pet job"?

[Dauntless]

Zyer took the words right off of my keyboard.

[Glamdring]

The fact is, all of the pet jobs (including drg) have different strengths and weaknesses and pet AI plays a huge part in that. A common complaint for bst is that their pet will switch targets on its own, a wyvern or puppet don't. Smn avatars have crap HP, the other 3 pets are all better at taking hits (although titan can take a pounding... for an avatar). Puppets deal terrific damage without pulling near the hate of jobs they emulate. Any of these can be factored into a proper party build where the focus is to fill holes in the roles of members.

Now, my only capped pet job is beast, I'm leveling pup but it's currently only 26. In Abyssea I'm using all 3 level 75 expansion set pieces (ASA, MKT, ACP) with pet buffs and beast affinity 5/5 merits. It's costing me a fortune in jugs. With Atmas on I haven't found a player yet that can get hate off my pet for more than a couple seconds unless they brew! Unfortunately, my LS rarely targets NMs that drop bst stuff so I haven't been able to get gear that augments me and gets hate (and thus survivability) to reasonable levels. We usually pet burn the tougher NMs with most pets being SMN; I hate bringing my beast to those sessions because I usually end up going through an entire stack of jugs in 1 2hour run since the only way I can heal my pet enough is to flux out since they can never get hate.

I'll get to use the same gear on pup when I reach that level unless I manage to get my full relic ( and might still use those pieces that are better). Some gear that will let me manage things on the hate front by balancing strength between me and my pet would be appreciated.