Enfeebling Magic and its update

[Sunrider]

little here and there..... rdm have become nothing for enfeebling in the last years. (gravity2...lol)

pl ask for so many

example: poison2 -10tick or bio3 is low ,when you see the higher 1 from other jobs (blu spells 18-25 tic)
and where is the merit change for rdm??

RDM was never that big a deal for enfeebling.

NIN had two-tier enfeebles before we ever even got introduced to merits, and BRD Elegy has traditionally outshined Slow with minimal effort, in addition to Lullaby which picks up where Sleep falls down. BLM and DRK make better use of Bio simply for having higher Dark Magic skill and wider access to Dark skill equipment. Let's not forget that BLM has always exclusively held the elemental DoTs in Choke/Frost/Burn/Drown/Shock/Rasp, any three of which bearing similar affinity can be staked, any two of which bearing neutral affinity being stackable, and has native Sleepga access. We have to sub DRK or BLM for Stun, PLD for Flash, and since then, WHM has gained native access to light-based Repose, which was, until the cap raise, exclusive to WHM. Meanwhile, BLU gets access to Disease in Lowing, regardless of whether they actually use it. RDM never so much as narrowed the market on unique spells, let along potent ones.

The only reason people jock-ride RDM enfeebling so hard is because they were eager to find something to attach the class to and got gassed up by it's status as our only A-rated skill, a status which has been of ambiguous benefit since about the release of ToAU.

[ManaKing]

I can proc in VW for enfeebles...mission accomplished for that.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Except they removed T2 procs before this joke of a resistance update.

[saevel]

They removed all merited spell / ability, and thank goodness for that.

[ManaKing]

I'm ok with them getting rid of merit spells as procs. What I'd like to see next is them get rid of merit spells...

*Checks Category 1 Merits*...wow these are still pretty bad

*Checks Category 2 Merits*ummm not much better....

*Checks everyone else's merits*Yeah, we're getting screwed....

[Demon6324236]

Getting rid of merits in VW Procs was a double edged sword. It effectively killed the need for a few jobs like NIN or RDM, while making VW easier to fill up because you don't need as specific of job setups to maintain procs.

Imo I like the change but at the same time hate that it killed most want for a RDM in VW due to no need for it, and thats why even though this update helped enfeebling it didn't really help RDM all to much. At least when we had our own unique procs this would have given us a good chance to stick them and would have actually got us in more partys, not less.

[sweetidealism]

I think the easy follow-up to this update is that Red Mage should receive some means of causing Immunobreak faster and more reliably than other jobs. This could perhaps be achieved through a passive trait, or maybe the tier 2 merits could cause the various debuffs to wear away resistance faster. Thoughts?

[saevel]

Getting rid of merits in VW Procs was a double edged sword. It effectively killed the need for a few jobs like NIN or RDM, while making VW easier to fill up because you don't need as specific of job setups to maintain procs.

You NEVER brought a RDM anyway, too few procs to give a damn about. Ninja I can see, one of our BRD's now goes /NIN to cover those procs. But our NIN now comes THF, so it's still a win.

[Freebytes]

Sweetidealism, that is a good idea. I think giving Red Mage an immunobreak ability that lasts for one minute has a three minute recast would be good. A passive ability would be good too, but it would likely not be 100% like an ability would be.

Someone on page 1 mentioned that enfeebling should not be the only focus of Red Mage, though. Something new should be added that is totally different within the game that would make Red Mage unique. I do not have the imagination to conjure up something that would be sufficient, though.

[Demon6324236]

1 unique thing about RDM is the self buffs, however no one counts it because they are almost never used due to the fact they are mostly useful for melee. Seriously having Brave/Faith with them not stacking would be kinda a fixer of that so that we would have some good selfbuffs for both sides.