[Suggestion] Update game controller support for Windows

[Tsukino_Kaji]

The controller setup of FFXI is pretty limited, very old and doesn't allow you to handle common gamepads, like the Xbox360 Game Controller, in the two analogic shoulder buttons which get recognized as "Z Axis" and not digital buttons.

Things could be easily solved in many ways if SE could think about updating that tool in the future, since they're re-doing the UI as well.
I can see at least two main paths of action:

1) Update the current Gamepad utility allowing it to handle analogic buttons as digital buttons
2) Update the support to Xinput as well

Step 1.) Unplug your controler.
Step 2.) Put away teh controler.
Step 3.) Put your hands on the keyboard and enjoy your now faster and more accurate gameplay.
Adendum.) Don't touch teh mouse.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Step 1.) Unplug your controler.
Step 2.) Put away teh controler.
Step 3.) Put your hands on the keyboard and enjoy your now faster and more accurate gameplay.
Adendum.) Don't touch teh mouse.

It's not that great for this game, very few PC games play better with a controller, but this is one.

[wildsprite]

Step 1.) Unplug your controler.
Step 2.) Put away teh controler.
Step 3.) Put your hands on the keyboard and enjoy your now faster and more accurate gameplay.
Adendum.) Don't touch teh mouse.

actually you're wrong, FFXI isn't a FPS and the game was designed for a controller, you can see that clearly when you play it with a decent one(most people who claim the keyboard is faster and more accurate have only used crappy controllers)

It's not that great for this game, very few PC games play better with a controller, but this is one.

I agree with you, and from experience, every person I introduced to a game controller who started playing with the keyboard refuses to go back to the keyboard for it

[Yokai]

Step 1.) Unplug your controler.
Step 2.) Put away teh controler.
Step 3.) Put your hands on the keyboard and enjoy your now faster and more accurate gameplay.
Adendum.) Don't touch teh mouse.

If you don't enjoy using a controller (probably in conjunction with a keyboard) to play FFXI, or at the least don't enjoy it as much as playing with a keyboard and mouse or keyboard alone, then don't use a controller to play FFXI, but stop telling people who DO enjoy using a controller with a keyboard and want to have improved controller functionality because it could be better than it currently is to STOP using a controller. It's not helpful. It's like saying "if you think the speed limit is too low, get out of your car and walk."




Additionally, based on your sig I strongly suspect that you are biased against controllers due to your bias against PS2 players - if you're not biased against console players in general. Please remember that USB controllers have been in use since at least the mid-90s for PC games and maintaining or updating PC controller support is wholly unrelated to maintaining any form of support for the PS2 or XBox 360. So relax.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

If you don't enjoy using a controller (probably in conjunction with a keyboard) to play FFXI, or at the least don't enjoy it as much as playing with a keyboard and mouse or keyboard alone, then don't use a controller to play FFXI, but stop telling people who DO enjoy using a controller with a keyboard and want to have improved controller functionality because it could be better than it currently is to STOP using a controller. It's not helpful. It's like saying "if you think the speed limit is too low, get out of your car and walk."




Additionally, based on your sig I strongly suspect that you are biased against controllers due to your bias against PS2 players - if you're not biased against console players in general. Please remember that USB controllers have been in use since at least the mid-90s for PC games and maintaining or updating PC controller support is wholly unrelated to maintaining any form of support for the PS2 or XBox 360. So relax.

Wrong on all acounts and full of assumptions. I played with a controller for a long time. What I am speaking from is experience. Using a controller dose nothing but slow down your game play. If playing and reacting slower doesn't bother you, by all means, use it.

[Yokai]

Wrong on all accounts and full of assumptions. I played with a controller for a long time. What I am speaking from is experience. Using a controller dose nothing but slow down your game play. If playing and reacting slower doesn't bother you, by all means, use it.

I made no assumptions, actually.

Your response to people asking for an improvement of controller support is to tell people to stop using controllers. That is a wholly unhelpful statement, as I previously pointed out. I am not wrong in this, and I have made no assumptions. You offered nothing in your post to help improve the experience of using a controller.

Furthermore, while I did state what I suspect your reasoning for your unhelpful statement was, I made no assumptions. If my suspicions are incorrect, so be it. I accept that.

Furthermore, controller plus keyboard being better or worse than controller alone is an entirely subjective experience, not an objective one. Your experience may differ from that of others. If you have a better experience without a controller, don't use one. That doesn't mean everyone is better off without a controller.

[FrankReynolds]

Wrong on all acounts and full of assumptions. I played with a controller for a long time. What I am speaking from is experience. Using a controller dose nothing but slow down your game play. If playing and reacting slower doesn't bother you, by all means, use it.

erm... I would like proof that your keyboard made you react faster. This reminds me of when I bought my 8 year old niece a new track uniform and she thought it made her go faster.

I find it very hard to believe that your keyboard somehow doubles as a performance enhancing drug. So far as I can tell, most keyboards have a longer key travel than a game pad does thus forcing you to push harder and farther to achieve a button press. About the only thing that I can imagine working better with a keyboard might be macro selection. Even that can very by job / macro arrangement. Pretty much everything else is at your fingertips with a game pad.

[wildsprite]

Wrong on all acounts and full of assumptions. I played with a controller for a long time. What I am speaking from is experience. Using a controller dose nothing but slow down your game play. If playing and reacting slower doesn't bother you, by all means, use it.

you must have had a really crappy controller then because everyone I know who uses a real PS2/3 or XB360 controller says it helps them react faster except for typing in text responses

[Vold]

I ditched that annoying PS3 controller and motionjoy drivers that constantly D/C from my system causing mid gameplay problems and replaced it with a PS2 controller and a PS2>PC adapter I bought on Amazon. I'm not looking back. It's flawless but I do need a new PS2 controller because this one is worn out. I strongly recommend one of these adapters for anyone who have moved to the PC and longed for those Sony PS2 controllers. PS3 controller options are just not happening when the drivers have to highjack your system to work and I think that held true for all drivers and not just motionjoy. Bluetooth would have been nice but eh I'm fine with a cord.

I'm not even going into the whole "I think my KB is superb to your controller" debate again. All I'll say is I hope people continue to think that when they're watching me kill "their" NM because I out claimed them yet again. It's always good to stick to your beliefs, no matter what.

[FrankReynolds]

I ditched that annoying PS3 controller and motionjoy drivers that constantly D/C from my system causing mid gameplay problems and replaced it with a PS2 controller and a PS2>PC adapter I bought on Amazon. I'm not looking back. It's flawless but I do need a new PS2 controller because this one is worn out. I strongly recommend one of these adapters for anyone who have moved to the PC and longed for those Sony PS2 controllers. PS3 controller options are just not happening when the drivers have to highjack your system to work and I think that held true for all drivers and not just motionjoy. Bluetooth would have been nice but eh I'm fine with a cord.

The JP drivers work great for the Xbox360 wired controllers. I've had issues with the wireless ones, but I'm starting to think that it may be caused by my receiver and not the drivers, as I discovered that my receiver is a third party receiver and not an official Microsoft receiver.