Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

[Demon6324236]

Greetings!

We recently confirmed that there is a bug for Nyzul Isle assault where users are able to know the order of lamps via the usage of unintended exploits.

The development team is currently working to fix this as soon as possible, but please keep in mind that using third-party tools or any form of game exploit usage will not be tolerated and that we are continuously keeping track and dealing with this issue.

Finally, if you are aware of players possibly using exploits, we urge you to make a report to the Special Task Force to help facilitate our investigation.

16 Likes.

Why not just remove lamp floors entirely instead? This event is the most broken thing in FFXI as is, reducing the success rate of the cheaters to 0% (like the non-cheaters) will just make Neo Nyzul completely dead instead of just mostly dead.

60 Likes.

Please tell the reps, the community has spoken its opinion on their choices, and relay the messages brought to you by the people in this thread, concerning this change.

The numbers have changed even more, I wonder... Camate did you tell the devs of our feedback as we asked? Any word back on how things are going or are we sticking to the same old reply about fixing dat mods but not the underlining problem?

[Hunewearl]

I don't see the point in having cheaters banned. I mean, I just can't bring myself to care about people who cheated for the same gear I got.

I see the point in asking SE over and over to update the event itself so that anyone can do it and earn the gear, I really think anyone should be able to get it, period. I just don't understand why people care about others when X player obtaining a full Phorcys or not has 0 impact on them.

At this point, we don't even need people to brag about their non-existent skill, jealousy is here automatically, and it's really sad.

The way Nyzul Isle Uncharted works is a shame, but the way the majority of players react is even worse. This is why some people are not meant to be respected as players, because they are just made of jealousy, envy and other things that can't be respected.

Also, about the video, I hope this SAM will at least get fired, using Masamune in there should really earn you a ban.

[Infidi]

If they can't remove lamp floors completely, maybe they can alter it to be less of the luck based, time consuming, monstrosity it currently is? I vote for (IF they are adamant about not removing it entirely) just making it "Do the Lamps OR kill all enemies on the floor.", just as an example. Maybe give MULTIPLE objectives to choose from on lamp floors rather then just one. Of course... they would probably implement it to pertain to ALL floors, if they did that. I dunno if that'd be bad or worse. If its randomized could get two lamp objectives. XD

[Demon6324236]

If they can't remove lamp floors completely, maybe they can alter it to be less of the luck based, time consuming, monstrosity it currently is? I vote for (IF they are adamant about not removing it entirely) just making it "Do the Lamps OR kill all enemies on the floor.", just as an example. Maybe give MULTIPLE objectives to choose from on lamp floors rather then just one. Of course... they would probably implement it to pertain to ALL floors, if they did that. I dunno if that'd be bad or worse. If its randomized could get two lamp objectives. XD

Honestly even if it were 2 lamp floors in 1, its not order alone, and since your saying its do 1 or the other even on a double lamp floor it wouldn't be to bad because you can get code which is easy or same time which isn't nearly as bad.

[Spiritreaver]

Read the whole thread and this post sums up the whole deal imo

There probably wasn't an appropriate course of action that would fix anything. What people should have done is not do events they don't like and not let the lure of shinies and a sense of entitlement lead them to break the rules.

That right there is the correct answer.

Awesome stuff in NNI, no question about it. But in classic form, SE hid it behind a shoddy rehash of a good event. An event that absolutely pales to its predecessor. Now i am in no way God's gift to anyone, but i did a good bit of NNI when it hit, then promptly said 'No thanks' when i saw it for the crap that it is. I've abstained from the event since and plan on continuing to until it gets reworked. And when the whole SCHX2 BS strat hit, i knew i'd made the right choice, 'cause i knew where it was all headed.

IMO if more ppl had done the same, SE would have paid more attention to the event before now. Well more than that thing with the wins on lower lvls going toward an item from higher up anyways.

And real fast at this

I don't think i said they wouldn't do bans, I'm just saying if they do, Half the playerbase would like end up gone because of the aftermath...

Nope. The exact same thing was said before the Salvage bannings back in the day. Game is STILL here and humorously ppl didn't take anything away from what happened last time.

Not picking at you Karbuncle by any means, just using this because its almost word for word what i recently heard ingame. And that conversation was a carbon copy of one i heard back in '08 right before the bannings.

And on another note, even if ppl do end up getting banned over this, i'm pretty sure they'll be back ingame within the week. Just like last time.

[Karbuncle]

Nope. The exact same thing was said before the Salvage bannings back in the day. Game is STILL here and humorously ppl didn't take anything away from what happened last time.

I don't believe so entirely, What was said before the Salvage bans was something along the lines of "If they ban us, All the best players will be gone, and No one will ever figure anything out in the future". I don't think anyone expected the game to die... Right now though, It would suck for a lot of people. Either way, Their arrogance was pretty hilarious, "They won't ban us, Its game mechanics" and so forth... Acting like no one would figure anything out with them gone... That's not so much the case this time around... It would be more about people looking at their friend list and seeing it half empty, and becoming bored... causing a cascade effect.

I can safely say one of the top 3 causes of players leaving is their friends are no longer playing, Wiping a good chunk of peoples friends of the list will cause them to lose the drive to play.

It won't kill the game for sure, But it would definitely be a body blow to it. I know I'd be quite upset if i logged in missing half of my Friendslists or LS... I'd probably end up quitting. Last time i quit I just had money problems, and it seemed like a good time to go, If i logged on and had no one to talk too, I'd never look back.

Not picking at you Karbuncle by any means, just using this because its almost word for word what i recently heard ingame. And that conversation was a carbon copy of one i heard back in '08 right before the bannings.

Well then whoever said that is tarded :P.

As far as people being banned coming back, With Salvage bans, Games was still technically... newer, PLayers didnt mind starting over, Someone who was banned from this was banned... well... from this, I'd like to think they'd probably take the time to walk away, unless they're hopeless addicted which, I'm not discounting.

As a Disclaimer, I will say, I'm not picking on you either there. But i will say this, As far as just not going for the 'Shinies', Unfortunately thats hard for a lot of people. No one would deny MMO's at their core are games designed around 2 things.

1) Talking to people
2) Shinies.

We can't all use the game as an expensive Skype with Avatars, A lot of players play only for the Shinies, asking them to ignore the Shinies because the event is basically asking them to quit the game. The problem isn't entirely in people using these methods, Its in the fact SE Designed an event so rediculous that people felt the only hope of winning was in using these methods.

I will admit, I gave serious consideration to these methods, But I ultimately never did it because well, I was not playing at the time, But i shudder to think what may have been If i was active during the influx. I personally don't think I've of resorted to cheats, But i do know I will not fault those who did.

This is in regards to Lamp Dat swapping of course.

[Randwolf]

It won't kill the game for sure, But it would definitely be a body blow to it. I know I'd be quite upset if i logged in missing half of my Friendslists or LS... I'd probably end up quitting.

1) I doubt they can tell who swapped dat's
2) If they can, I hope they give them the hammer
3) If the friends of people who get the hammer feel the need to leave, I'll show them the door

Not feeling pity for anyone who chose friends, or an LS, who are cheaters. The correct response would have been to not do the event and continually complain to S/E until it is fixed. Part of the reason S/E fixes things is they see no one is doing it. Instead, when people cheat, a smaller group complains, because the cheaters don't complain as it is no longer an annoyance, and the event never gets fixed. And, then more people realize that the solution is cheating. So, nothing ever gets fixed and cheating becomes the fallback answer for every broken thing in the game.

[Karbuncle]

1) I doubt they can tell who swapped dat's
2) If they can, I hope they give them the hammer
3) If the friends of people who get the hammer feel the need to leave, I'll show them the door

Not feeling pity for anyone who chose friends, or an LS, who are cheaters. The correct response would have been to not do the event and continually complain to S/E until it is fixed. Part of the reason S/E fixes things is they see no one is doing it. Instead, when people cheat, a smaller group complains, because the cheaters don't complain as it is no longer an annoyance, and the event never gets fixed. And, then more people realize that the solution is cheating. So, nothing ever gets fixed and cheating becomes the fallback answer for every broken thing in the game.

Then you my friend, are an Ignorant hater. Answer me these questions, And maybe I can change my mind

1) How does them dat swapping, effect your playstyle, or you?
2) IF you can find an Answer to 1, Which I doubt, Why does it make you so angry?
3) If you can answer 2, Which i doubt, Have you realized lately this is a game?

Truth is, most people who dislike the so called "Cheaters", are simply hating just to hate, because their morale standards (Which apparently end at basic human emotion such as compassion) tell them CHEATING IS BAD.

Well, I tend to agree that cheating is in fact bad, Especially when it directly and negatively impacts other gamers, Like Botting at HNMs. But, Nyzul Isle, Is a closed, Instanced event. Them swapping .dats on Lamps is not preventing you from Doing the event, and takes nothing away from your personal experience of the event.

Are you angry they have the pixels before you? If so, Why does it matter? You can just wear it proudly that you may have obtained it without cheating, therefor, your victory is significantly more rewarding in the end. Isn't this game about personal achievements? Why do you care about the achievements of others first? This is as stupid as wanting job Nerfs on Diablo 3.

I'm sorry my friend if i come off rude, But this type of ignorant hatred for anyone cheating and anyone whos friends with cheaters is pure disgusting when it does not effect you in any way. I especially hate the morale Hypocrisy, "Cheaters are bad cause cheating is bad" > "F**k Cheaters and their friends!" - So, Cheating is bad, and therefor you hate it, But condemning cheaters and their friends basically saying good riddens is totally morally acceptable?

You're almost as bad as some of the more extremist Christians, Didn't god teach you hate the Sin, not the sinners? And since is hating the friends of the sinner now an acceptable course of moral action as well?
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All I want to say is : lol. Now poping popcorn for the fix they will bring and the wall of butthurt that will come after (BG).

You're stupider than I thought if you think this will bring any butthurt, considering anyone on BG worth a penny has already gotten their armor. But keep dreaming, I know the only meaning your life has these days is hoping you can find a way to make fun of BG. Good lord. move on already.

[Reiterpallasch]

1) I doubt they can tell who swapped dat's
2) If they can, I hope they give them the hammer
3) If the friends of people who get the hammer feel the need to leave, I'll show them the door

So much mad, and so much more jealousy.

People have been using DAT swaps for various things for years. There are entire online FFXI communities hosting thousands and thousands of player created DATs. And nobody has ever given a shit about it, not even back when people used them to solo the Hagun ENM. That's the same thing as this in a nutshell. Though I guess you're going to suggest that they go back and ban everyone that ever did that too right?

I don't think you understand just how big of an impact your jealousy could potentially have on the game, if they were to listen to people like you and banhammer everyone that has ever used DAT swaps, use windower, or anything else deemed a 'cheat'. You don't even suggest they just take the gear away, you want them removed from the game forever, including their friends.

Your kind won't be happy until they ban every windower user, every DAT swapper, and all associated friends along with it. I hope you enjoy yourself if that day ever comes, because you'll likely be doing it on the only server the game has left.

[Randwolf]

So much mad, and so much more jealousy.

Oops, apparently touched a nerve. And, nope. You can try and recast my disgust at cheating, guessing either yours and/or your friends' or shells', as jealousy. But, no, it's simply disgust at people who feel the need to circumvent the rules and then try and justify it by saying "hey, everyone's doing it."

Oh, hang on...nope still just disgust.

p.s. - I've no need to fear the ban hammer. Do you have a need to for yourself or your friends?