Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

[Demon6324236]

Yes I am incapable of understanding how the 2 are the same, they are the same in black and white, but not when you look at them in detail.

[Ragmar]

Yes I am incapable of understanding how the 2 are the same, they are the same in black and white, but not when you look at them in detail.

Because for you one is acceptable and one is not. If SE wanted you to have windower type macros they would be the in game macros. You use a third party tool which violates the TOS regardless of how you feel about it. SE has heard the begging yet they still say no new macros so you download a third party tool to circumvent designed game play yet you refuse to accept this is cheating because you are ok with it. Thats what you cant comprehend.

[FrankReynolds]

Yes I am incapable of understanding how the 2 are the same, they are the same in black and white, but not when you look at them in detail.

This is from another thread, but it applies here fully, so enjoy:

Take Waltzes, for instance. The largest benefit of Waltzes over Cures (back when they were actually used) was that Waltzes are a close approximation of instant and cures take time. However, it takes time to swap to Waltz Potency equipment using in-game macros before using your Waltz and this really closes the gap between -Spellcasting Time Cures and Waltzes. Should you be TPing in your Waltz Potency gear when in a healing role? Should you just not bother getting Waltz Potency gear that you can't TP in? I'd hope that the answer to both of these questions is "No." The game needs an automated midcast (which is faster than vanilla macros) in order for the Waltz design to be reasonable.


Take Weapon Skills, for instance. People typically TP and WS in different sets, but in high Haste situations people with in-game macros end up TPing in their WS sets more often than they think (especially if they're using two macro swaps for WS gear). A round here or there, but in high haste situations any round in your WS set is going to take twice as long as in your TP set (75% Haste in TP set -> 50% Haste in WS set). If you have a 4-hit build in Voidwatch and one round every cycle is in your WS set, you take as long to get TP as a 5-hit (and do one melee swing less damage). If moving from a 5-hit to a 4-hit effectively increases your WS frequency (and thus net WS damage) by 33%, you have to wonder if it's even worth swapping gear for WSs on the vanilla client in high Haste situations. If you automate the swaps, it's entirely repeatable and you can be sure that your gear switches back to TP before the WS delay ends.

Take special note of the part about what happens when it takes you too long to get in / out of your ws gear.

[Reiterpallasch]

So people use 3rd party programs to have more than 6 macro lines. Who gives a flying fuck?

[Ragmar]

So people use 3rd party programs to have more than 6 macro lines. Who gives a flying fuck?

So people use 3rd party programs to make an event easier to win. Who gives a flying ****?

[Reiterpallasch]

So people use 3rd party programs to make an event easier to win. Who gives a flying ****?

Precisely

[Nala]

Eh not that i'm trying to be in support of the anti windower macro faction but smart macro design with the /macro set commands allows for timely gear swaps of up to 15 pieces of gear... however it still doesn't change the fact that you have to hit 3 macros which can lead to more human error and thus inefficient play style.

Given that you can accomplish 15 in 3 swap in rapid succession why should it matter if i swap 15 in 1? (though truthfully most cases its only practical to swap 12 which still would require 3 macros)

[Ragmar]

Eh not that i'm trying to be in support of the anti windower macro faction but smart macro design with the /macro set commands allows for timely gear swaps of up to 15 pieces of gear... however it still doesn't change the fact that you have to hit 3 macros which can lead to more human error and thus inefficient play style.

Given that you can accomplish 15 in 3 swap in rapid succession why should it matter if i swap 15 in 1? (though truthfully most cases its only practical to swap 12 which still would require 3 macros)

For me it's not about being anti windower. Its about being anti hypocritical. You can't come here asking for heads to roll but not yours because you think your third party ToS violating tool is ok. I'm fine if they decide to ban for this I just want them to ban for all third party tools, craft bots, fishing bots, windower, clipper and claim bots if they decide to do so. There are probably other third party tools im not listing because I'm not aware of them not because I support them but not these.

[Nala]

Eh when did i ever ask for heads to roll? not that i agree with peeps that cheat at this event, ive done it once just to try it out with some friends think we got to floor 60, between the fact that my shell's been helping peeps through assaults (working towards getting a few peeps assaults) and my refusal to go to the same lengths i do not do this event.

While i am not asking for heads to roll i do think the event needs a little more consideration, the overall concept of RNG stacked on top of RNG on top of RNG is just meh.

[Ragmar]

Eh when did i ever ask for heads to roll? not that i agree with peeps that cheat at this event, ive done it once just to try it out with some friends think we got to floor 60, between the fact that my shell's been helping peeps through assaults (working towards getting a few peeps assaults) and my refusal to go to the same lengths i do not do this event.

While i am not asking for heads to roll i do think the event needs a little more consideration, the overall concept of RNG stacked on top of RNG on top of RNG is just meh.

I wasnt intending to say you were just that many in this thread have been and I find it lulz when they try to justify why their own third party tools are ok but others who use another third party tool should be banned. Again neither one of these tools negatively effect the rest of the player base. The argument that if they werent cheating SE would see the need to rework this content could absolutely be used for the macro system as well as just the basic functions of windower. I mean if SE were losing their player base rather than people downloading the windower client maybe we would have gotten FFXI 2.0! Right?