Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

[Reiterpallasch]

There were no pathos from the previous floor. I know what I saw.

We also know what we saw, which is nothing in this case.

[Soidisant]

If you got 2 Pathos and it was indeed a boss floor, not a floor with gears on, then I'd report it as a bug. It flies in the face of everything we know and have seen in Nyzul. I've certainly never seen or heard of it happening outside of aggroing/killing gears when you're not supposed to.

[Phupafighters]

As others have stated, fix order lamps to either have labels on them already, reduce the amount of people required (example instead of 5 people max, make it 3), and or remove the lag after you complete the objective and the cooldown upon a failed attempt. We have to clear what is it? A minimum of 18-20 floors to get a floor 100 win, and with all the other random things in the event, it is still a low % of win WITHOUT cheats or order lamps as is. Order lamps kill your run if you don't use dat swap. I don't think it's fair that we have to lose an event based on a random lamp order that requires absolutely no skill. Once you put the new "bug" fix in, this event will die. And you won't fix it for another 3 months atleast and then other content will come out making this gear probably useless. You could also reduce the amount of floor 80 wins from say 25 to 15 or 10. That's still 10-15 days to obtain ONE piece of armor and 80 is still a decent objective for non cheaters.

[Malthar]

And you know what? The fact that we got two pathos on F100 wasn't my point. My report got thrown completely off topic. The main thread that I wanted to illuminate was that we got to F100 and that was because we got no order lamps. So, it is possible to reach F100 without cheating, but you have to be extremely lucky with jumps and absolutely no order lamps.

[Ragmar]

Sorry to disappoint you but I removed every single plugging from Windower the day I downloaded it because I found many parts of it annoying. Only thing I wanted, 1 macro to do my swaps for RDM because I refused to keep hitting 3 every single time I wanted to do something. If you think the main reason people use Windower is because they are all evil cheating assholes, look again. Alot of players who use it use it only because they want better macros yet time and time again SE says no, so we make due with what we can.

So you wanted something SE has repeatedly said NO to but because you wanted it you chose to use a third party application to have it and you don't define this as cheating because well... you wanted it. Making due would be making good 6 line macro's as SE intended the game to be played with, instead you opted for a THIRD PARTY PROGRAM yet you have an issue with people who dat swapped even though they did it for the same reasons you did. People complained the event was failed just as you complained macros were failed. SE said working as intended so you downloaded windower and they swapped dats. You can't excuse your cheating because you feel its justified and then chastize others because you feel it isn't. I'm not saying windower is evil either btw but its the same level cheat as dat swapping as neither effect the rest of the player base except to cause umadness everywhere.

[Demon6324236]

You see your logic fails because I am using 1 macro to do what 3~6 macros would be needed to do, I am simply saving myself the finger stress by hitting only 1. In the game it is very possible for me to do those same actions, simply by hitting more buttons, taking more time, wasting more space on my macro list, and in general causing myself more pain on my hands.

Now, looking at people who .dat swap. When doing this you get numbers that allow you the info on which lamp is what in the order. No matter what you do in game this is not actually possible. You can never see the number for the lamps any way except by performing this act.

See, when you do macros, macros are macros, at the end of the day Windower or not they can perform the same actions, you simply need use more of them for the same thing if you are not using Windower. Dat swapping however is only possible outside of the game, nothing in game can cause it, thus making it unfair.

[Ragmar]

You see your logic fails because I am using 1 macro to do what 3~6 macros would be needed to do, I am simply saving myself the finger stress by hitting only 1. In the game it is very possible for me to do those same actions, simply by hitting more buttons, taking more time, wasting more space on my macro list, and in general causing myself more pain on my hands.

Now, looking at people who .dat swap. When doing this you get numbers that allow you the info on which lamp is what in the order. No matter what you do in game this is not actually possible. You can never see the number for the lamps any way except by performing this act.

See, when you do macros, macros are macros, at the end of the day Windower or not they can perform the same actions, you simply need use more of them for the same thing if you are not using Windower. Dat swapping however is only possible outside of the game, nothing in game can cause it, thus making it unfair.

Again you're simply trying to justify the third party app you use. You can find out the order in game simply by trying combo's this just saves you time exactly like hitting one macro vs 3 to complete an action. At the end of the day dat swapped or not they perform the same actions, you simply need to hit more of them for the same thing if you are not using swapped dats. Swapping every piece of gear in an instant however is only possible outside of the game, nothing in game can cause it, thus making it unfair. Can attempt to justify it all you want to feel better about yourself but its the same thing.

[Demon6324236]

Again, 1 can be done in game, 1 can not be done in game. The 1 that can be done in game is only a time saver. The one that can not be done in game is cheating via giving you an unfair advantage by knowing something you would not know otherwise. I gain nothing from using 1 macro for 16 actions other than less pain for my hands and half a second of time. Where as with dats you gain knowledge of which lamps are what number, letting you save alot of time and potentially win an event you would have otherwise lost.

[Ragmar]

Again, 1 can be done in game, 1 can not be done in game. The 1 that can be done in game is only a time saver. The one that can not be done in game is cheating via giving you an unfair advantage by knowing something you would not know otherwise. I gain nothing from using 1 macro for 16 actions other than less pain for my hands and half a second of time. Where as with dats you gain knowledge of which lamps are what number, letting you save alot of time and potentially win an event you would have otherwise lost.

All either do is save you time, both can be done in game and their respective programs simply save you time. Im not a math major here but lets see dat swaps save you like 2 min on average. How much time do you think during the same 30 min event windower macros are saving you? I'd bet money you're saving yourself over 2 minutes of wait times and button mashing macro after macro. I played on PS2 for 7 years I know how bad the in game macro system is. You simply keep trying to justify your choice of third party tools. Fact is fact both violate the ToS and are cheating because of it. I hardly expect you to understand because if you already cant you simply arent capable. 1+1=2 no matter how many times you wanna say 1+1=3.

[Demon6324236]

Yes I am incapable of understanding how the 2 are the same, they are the same in black and white, but not when you look at them in detail.