Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

[Seha]

Nyzul Investigation was one of my favourite events, I loved it.
Nyzul Uncharted is stupid.
There were so many other ways it could be done..like saving progress every 10 floors and resetting at 100, or making so all astrariums could be traded for HQ gear(granted in the proper amounts depending on floor), etc...but nope, they had to be "original" and screwed up.
Will you ever hire a battle development team that knows wtf they're doing? Yes people asked for events requiring skill, but this is another luck based event, it is not fair, it is not what people wanted and your way of solving the issue won't solve a damn at all.

[seallux]

Nyzul Investigation was one of my favourite events, I loved it.
Nyzul Uncharted is stupid.
There were so many other ways it could be done..like saving progress every 10 floors and resetting at 100, or making so all astrariums could be traded for HQ gear(granted in the proper amounts depending on floor), etc...but nope, they had to be "original" and screwed up.
Will you ever hire a battle development team that knows wtf they're doing? Yes people asked for events requiring skill, but this is another luck based event, it is not fair, it is not what people wanted and your way of solving the issue won't solve a damn at all.

Finally a post. no a thread that has everyone on the same page yes we all asked for a challenging Arena or Battle system for us to get 1 of the best gears but seriously square enix just make it challenging in sense takes skill not luck.
Luck based fights aren't skill full and it just pisses off the FFXI community as you see the whole thread is pissed at your Team Decision to make new Events "Luck" Based no one likes that kind of thing if it is there make less noticeable that's all we ask as a player base community.

[Malthar]

Ok, we got to neo Nyzul F100, completely legit (no order lamps!!!) with 3 min to kill boss. The only problem was that we had ws's and smn magic restricted. Complete bs.

[Soidisant]

Can you get 2 Pathos restrictions on the same floor if Gears aren't present? I've only ever seen 1 randomly assigned and then additional ones on that floor if you kill/aggro a gear when you're not supposed to.

WS restriction on 100 is a killer though, that's bad luck for your group =/

We had White Magic restricted once on 100 but it wasn't as bad as you would think (No, not stealth bragging. Embrava and Fanatics usually mean you live long enough for it not to matter). I imagine WS'es would be far, far worse just judging from how long it takes to kill lower floor bosses when WS'es are restricted. Or if you get it on something like an All / Spec Fam with Amorphs/Puddings.

[saevel]

Can you get 2 Pathos restrictions on the same floor if Gears aren't present? I've only ever seen 1 randomly assigned and then additional ones on that floor if you kill/aggro a gear when you're not supposed to.

WS restriction on 100 is a killer though, that's bad luck for your group =/

We had White Magic restricted once on 100 but it wasn't as bad as you would think (No, not stealth bragging. Embrava and Fanatics usually mean you live long enough for it not to matter). I imagine WS'es would be far, far worse just judging from how long it takes to kill lower floor bosses when WS'es are restricted. Or if you get it on something like an All / Spec Fam with Amorphs/Puddings.

Having a BLU/WAR along fixes that for the most part. WS restriction on floor 100 could still be an issue if your tight on time. WS restriction doesn't stop BLU physical spells from doing what they do.

Also the person above is lying. You can't get more then one pathos per floor.

[FrankReynolds]

Greetings!

We recently confirmed that there is a bug for Nyzul Isle assault where users are able to know the order of lamps via the usage of unintended exploits.

The development team is currently working to fix this as soon as possible, but please keep in mind that using third-party tools or any form of game exploit usage will not be tolerated and that we are continuously keeping track and dealing with this issue.

Finally, if you are aware of players possibly using exploits, we urge you to make a report to the Special Task Force to help facilitate our investigation.

I will not be reporting cheaters. I don't give a crap about cheaters. I want events that don't suck. Your just making the event suck for the few people that could actually do it, when you should be making the event good for the people who can't.

[kyomi]

I will not be reporting cheaters. I don't give a crap about cheaters. I want events that don't suck. Your just making the event suck for the few people that could actually do it, when you should be making the event good for the people who can't.

Can't do that if the data suggests there is nothing in need of fixing because people are fluffing it with unreliable data showing it isn't that hard because they remove an unknown variable turning it into a constant known value (ie: remove the random order of lamps via dat swaps making it a known order). There are people who complete the event through legit means so this only makes it harder to do so, but not impossible.

[saevel]

Can't do that if the data suggests there is nothing in need of fixing because people are fluffing it with unreliable data showing it isn't that hard because they remove an unknown variable turning it into a constant known value (ie: remove the random order of lamps via dat swaps making it a known order). There are people who complete the event through legit means so this only makes it harder to do so, but not impossible.

Complete BS. SE knows exactly how *hard* this is. They programmed in the randomness, they know that floor 100 isn't going to be reached but once out of thirty to forty runs (completely legitimately). They introduced all the "screw yous" that ruin your runs, things like WS restriction is just the blatant ones. You have the ridiculously large floor layouts that one 1 random lamp or enemy a good 30~60+ second run from the start, all sorts of NMs to screw with you and then the infamous lamps. Not only must a "vanilla" group make it to 100, they must do so with a low number of jumps and minimal number of "screw yous" from SE.

SE knows this, their not going to make it any easier. They don't want people 15/15, they want you 1/5 after four months. They want you still doing Nyzule Isle for gear in 2014. Just like Voidwatch, just like Legion.

[FrankReynolds]

Can't do that if the data suggests there is nothing in need of fixing because people are fluffing it with unreliable data showing it isn't that hard because they remove an unknown variable turning it into a constant known value (ie: remove the random order of lamps via dat swaps making it a known order). There are people who complete the event through legit means so this only makes it harder to do so, but not impossible.

They know exactly how many people are cheating. Don't let their feigned innocence fool you. They didn't budget time to apply any major fixes to Nyzul Isle after it was released, and now it needs to be fixed but they have no time to do it, so they are putting a band-aid on the bullet wound. It's apathy towards paying customers and to the benefit of people who cheat.We shouldn't even be concerned about whether people cheat. We should be concerned about why the content was designed in such a poor state that people who cheat get to shit all over our experience. People will always cheat no matter how much they threaten to ban, or screw with the game to stop them. The only options are too either make a game where people can cheat, but it doesn't affect other peoples quality of game, or (the SE way) make the game however the hell you want, and then bullshit the public as if you care. Something tells me that forum reps get paid far less than game designers, so guess which option they chose. They chose "Let's send some forum reps out to make PR Posts.".

[MarkovChain]

Honestly SE is playing on our nerves, acting like they are discovering name changing only now, when there has been 4 or 5 threads complaining about this in the past months. Now they pretend it's a bug ? Initially they probably meant nyzul to only be given to a few couple of people, alla salvage gear back in the day. But they pathetically failed by introducing a pure luck factor. The playerbase would be a lot less raging if they had done normal nyzul with the usual saving of progression but with a supersmall droprate instead. The situation of nyzul right now is the following :

* NI 2.0 was 10x harder to clear before the stopper patch, and they actually expected you to reach it (it was nigh impossible even with cheats)
* They introduced stopped, but it's still random as hell and there is no way you can win unless super luck (basically 12 or 13 jumps with +7 to +9).
* everyone cheats. Noone wins without most of their members doing dat swaps.

I'm sure they can't change the floor system without redisigning the event completely. SE's only choice is to revamp it into a much nicer/less random progression with low droprates.

I've suggested it in other thread but i'll reiterate my suggestion :

@ SE devs :

1) record all F100 nyzul wins since release.
2) out of those wins, check how many of those runs had a lamp order floor.
3) examine the % of those runs where people went 1/1 on guessing lamps.

If you don't find 99%+ or more plese let me now.