Windurst region fix.

[katiekat]

you know i used to think this forums were a good idea now not so much.

there is oh-most no topic that is not derailed by comments against the TC or another poster by players that dislike them and feal the knead to insult or call out that poster every time they post. and when sum one calls them on it you get a response of "i have to call him/her out because he/she is giving bad info. hath the time the person being insulted has not even said anything wrong.

yes yes i know its a internet forum and that's how mmo forums are but my point is its a sad day when posters have to rezolt to insults to one another raver then just staying out of the topic. if you don't agree with the poster or if you do disagree state why and leave the insults and snide comments out as much as you can.

i come to this forums to talk about FF XI or read posters talk about FF XI not lisin to 200 page long topics about how one player is a noob because of how they play or why players that do or don't use aby are noobs.

now i am starting to think the best thing SE could do is shut down the forums and just do-what they want as it seams at this point the topics just are a pile of venom.

[Demon6324236]

you know i used to think this forums were a good idea now not so much.

there is oh-most no topic that is not derailed by comments against the TC or another poster by players that dislike them and feal the knead to insult or call out that poster every time they post. and when sum one calls them on it you get a response of "i have to call him/her out because he/she is giving bad info. hath the time the person being insulted has not even said anything wrong.

yes yes i know its a internet forum and that's how mmo forums are but my point is its a sad day when posters have to rezolt to insults to one another raver then just staying out of the topic. if you don't agree with the poster or if you do disagree state why and leave the insults and snide comments out as much as you can.

i come to this forums to talk about FF XI or read posters talk about FF XI not lisin to 200 page long topics about how one player is a noob because of how they play or why players that do or don't use aby are noobs.

now i am starting to think the best thing SE could do is shut down the forums and just do-what they want as it seams at this point the topics just are a pile of venom.

Not only that but SE ignores us alot as well. We make ideas and suggestions, give feedback, and alot of the time we get told its impossible and cant be done for blah blah reason or its against their ideas/design.

[Rosina]

Not only that but SE ignores us alot as well. We make ideas and suggestions, give feedback, and alot of the time we get told its impossible and cant be done for blah blah reason or its against their ideas/design.

hate to be the bringer of bad news, but.... most ideas people make are beyond the algorythems(sp?) of how pc programing works, or so big SE can't simply do it. The devs know the game code best. But they do for the most part listen... but itsn't some some conspiricy if they can't do the idea.

all we can do is propose suggestions, but with this community it is hard to really SEE the suggestion... cuz what happens is ppl attack each other trying to discredit the poster just to feel good about themselves cuz its "cool" to pick on someone you don't know. And some suggestion are poorly made as in the suggestion itself attacks a group of players.

anyway thats my 2 cents. If my suggestion gets used or not idc... I said my peace put the best case for my idea.

[Demon6324236]

They have told us they can not do things that players have already done with programs like Windower. I refuse to believe that a group of people can do something on the game more than the company who made it. It just seems more likely they don't want to do it because they think it will create chaos or it goes against what they were going to do.

[Rosina]

They have told us they can not do things that players have already done with programs like Windower. I refuse to believe that a group of people can do something on the game more than the company who made it. It just seems more likely they don't want to do it because they think it will create chaos or it goes against what they were going to do.

because its a bit different... windower is a third party tool yes? And you can run add-ons through said tool yes? It's different between running an addon on with a game then having it intergrated in the actual games code work. SE know the code and frame work best. They know what limits they have. And it is their game, they have the final say. Being upset over the fact they can't do or do not want to do certain things is a tad silly. It is just a game. But please keep on topic... there is alreafy a conspiricy thoery thread. Post you concerns there not here.

[RAIST]

because its a bit different... windower is a third party tool yes? And you can run add-ons through said tool yes? It's different between running an addon on with a game then having it intergrated in the actual games code work. SE know the code and frame work best. They know what limits they have. And it is their game, they have the final say. Being upset over the fact they can't do or do not want to do certain things is a tad silly. It is just a game. But please keep on topic... there is alreafy a conspiricy thoery thread. Post you concerns there not here.

Actually, no. It's because the ones doing it in Windower are doing it in a Windows environment and are taking advantage of the access to more resources that FFXI doesn't take advantage of because SE is determined to keep FFXI on PC running within the scope of the PS2 restrictions embedded in the core code. If SE were to step further outside of these limitations on the non PS2 platforms, a lot of these things could be done (at least for the PC version of the game).

Unfortunately, this is not the case. They are loosening the reigns a little with the coming UI changes....which is a start. Hopefully, the trend continues and we'll see some bigger changes when SoA comes out.

[Modoru]

because its a bit different... windower is a third party tool yes? And you can run add-ons through said tool yes? It's different between running an addon on with a game then having it intergrated in the actual games code work. SE know the code and frame work best. They know what limits they have. And it is their game, they have the final say. Being upset over the fact they can't do or do not want to do certain things is a tad silly. It is just a game. But please keep on topic... there is alreafy a conspiricy thoery thread. Post you concerns there not here.

The only way it's a "tool" is it injects a hook.dll that allows further scripting -- the game itself can allow these mechanics as is. It's not some sort of complete reverse-engineering of code that was discovered in order to exploit the game. Windower literally just simplified and added certain pieces of code that allow these plugins to work. SE could very easily implement them. Whether or not they'd want to is an entirely different story, but making these plugins work is actually in NO way impossible or 'different'. Do you actually know coding?

[Rosina]

The only way it's a "tool" is it injects a hook.dll that allows further scripting -- the game itself can allow these mechanics as is. It's not some sort of complete reverse-engineering of code that was discovered in order to exploit the game. Windower literally just simplified and added certain pieces of code that allow these plugins to work. SE could very easily implement them. Whether or not they'd want to is an entirely different story, but making these plugins work is actually in NO way impossible or 'different'. Do you actually know coding?

a tiny bit, enough to know there are limits

[katiekat]

Not only that but SE ignores us alot as well. We make ideas and suggestions, give feedback, and alot of the time we get told its impossible and cant be done for blah blah reason or its against their ideas/design.

i just hate seeing all this hatred and it seams like we have sertin posters that will post insults and DE-rail the topic just be because Rosina do i agre with her posts all the time no does she make good posts yes. and in sted of talking about them or moving on the topics tern in to a lets bash Rosina. i don't care if they think she dazervs it it makes us look petty in front of devs and people coming to the site for the first time.