Windurst region fix.

[RAIST]

just to clear something up... these mobs are also in low level quest areas... for r1 level quests. such as "making headlines" "minesweeper" I'm avtually curious how you can do the "hidden" escort quest in dangruf wadi... since that area i think got changed.... I'm all for teamwork and getting/helping ppl... but these quests are for lvl1-10... shouldn't have to get help

Well.... lets looks at them then:

Making headlines, from the wiki:

■Sneak and Invisible are necessary for the level 85+ monsters that are now behind all cracked walls in the Inner Horutoto Ruins.

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Seems pretty self-explanatory....either you snk/inv yourself, you bring someone who can do it for you, or you get oils/powders either by buying them or have someone make them.

Minesweeper: All you ever needed to avoid aggro in that zone was sneak if I remember correctly....and SE acknowledged there was an issue with this zone and adjusted it a long time ago. You could easily get to the mobs you needed to get the soot before, and you can do so now as well.

All By Myself (assuming this is the one you are talking about), again...from the wiki:

■A higher level player not in the party can run ahead of Ken and kill most or all of the mobs in his way. This will drastically reduce the difficulty on this quest.

Just like so many of the other escort quests....there are predictable paths that can be cleared by higher players.

Again, some of these quests potentially would have required higher level assistance in the past....the only thing that has changed is that in some cases, it is more necessary than before....for others (like GK's) it is just as necessary as it has always been.

[RAIST]

I understand.. But if the change wasn't needed it could be fixed to improve game quality. If they can change it It what I'm asking but If they can't no worries. But it would be benificial considering i don't see anyone in these areas... If it is an issue to change it back I understand but I don't think it should be.

Think I've found the problem here..... you aren't getting the point.

Even if they reverted them back.....for a lot of this content---you would STILL NEED HIGHER LEVEL HELP, OR LEVEL UP HIGHER TO DO THEM.

[Rosina]

Think I've found the problem here..... you aren't getting the point.

Even if they reverted them back.....for a lot of this content---you would STILL NEED HIGHER LEVEL HELP, OR LEVEL UP HIGHER TO DO THEM.

umm i got the point a while ago >.>;; sorry if it didn't seem like it. But reverting the mobs back to original levels you can solo those quests @ 10. Soot is actually droped from the mobs, and u need a high lvl to kill them The mines zone was infact a 5-10 solo spot. I'm also not just talking quest areas... I'm talking leveling spots.

May I ask something... tips aside... why are you not supportive of them changing the levels back to how they used to be? I'm greatful for the advice, but I also wasn't asking for it. I'm suggesting a change to help improve the game for low level players w/o feeling they need to ask for help for basic content THAT AT ONE POINT was soloable.

[Infidi]

If I'm not mistaken those mobs are used for GoV pages so taking them out completely(changing the level back) would make said pages inoperable ? At the very least they probably wouldn't do it to justify the man hours they spent changing them in the first place . This IS SE we are talking about here .

[RAIST]

The problem is, the quests haven't changed that much as far as there being a chance for death if you are solo.

For example, you have an issue with All by Myself because you were restricted to level 10. This still posed an issue with aggro and potential death for a WHM back then, still does now (aggressive mobs in path that were over level 10). Yeah, you could get lucky and maybe pull it off solo....but there was always certain spots where you could get aggro and would need assistance with that quest.

The same goes for geting the soot....it's just as easy now as it was in the past to get to mobs that drop the soot at the same levels--you sneak past the harder mobs you can't solo to get to the ones that you can solo.

The list goes on, I'm sure if you were to sit down and do a serious before/after comparison of them.

This is true for a lot of the older content in these areas.....which renders the point rather moot. If all you require is snk/inv now, and that is all that was required then.....you face the same issues. So, you are essentially asking to change something that really doesn't provide the change you ultimately desire....being able to solo something that the designers may have never really intended to be soloed, as it is an MMO and not a solo RPG.

[Edit:]
something about that soot quest just didn't jive... and sure enough, my suspicions were correct. Ran out to the mines...and there are bats right there when you zone in, level 1-3 that drop the soot. Sent Garuda after two bats, got one soot. So... this particular example you provided is completely null and void on this debate.

[Rosina]

making head lines is an r1 level quest that requires you to collect newspaper reports from each area of windurst then with the report of nanaa mihgo you need to find her hide out. The area where the hide out was at one point a lvl 10-15 area. It did not require any form of help. It was just a basic quest. The area to get to this spot was I think where mission R1 M1 was located. What you did was find a cracked door and got into the underbelly of the ruins. Then click the door. Thats it. no fight no nothing. Soot... all you did was kill mobs get the soot item zone was level 5-10 solo. Rank 1 and rank 2 till 2-3 was mostly soloable by level 25.

The books can be changed to relect the low level area also. Gusgen mines wasn't changed for gov.... not all gov zones had level adjustments.

I'm also not asking for solo content... raise I know this is an mmorpg... been playing it for 7 years dude lol. This is the last mmorpg that actually relays on parties (big reason i'm playing it tbh)

[Rosina]

to add since i can't edit and add. There are 6 mobs from 1-3... in that top areas and high levels kill them for the skill up ring in the chest you can get. I never actually suggested a change to said zone either. Mostly the windurst areas. But this topic is not just on quests, missions but also early solo leveling places. The areas I listed was great for soloing around windurst which has the most confusing topography in the regions.

I did ask why you seem to be against the change. I'm not fighting, but It somes seem to don't get my point. But reguardless thanks for the tips.

[RAIST]

Then why do you keep coming back with a complaint that it can't be soloed now like it could be before....when infact, a low level player was under threat of death then and still is now?

And that area for Making Headlines was not a level 10-15 area. You might have xp'ed in some spots at that level, but mobs there went up into the 20's in the past. So, if you were doing that at earlier levels (ie, level 10-15), you were still under threat for aggro back then.

Again.....there was potential risk then....and there is potential risk now--but in both the past/present, the same methods for negating the risk is the same.

Oh, and you were complaining that a level 10 player can't farm soot for the quest....well...I just dispelled that complaint. I'm guessing you haven't been there lately.

[RAIST]

to add since i can't edit and add. There are 6 mobs from 1-3... in that top areas and high levels kill them for the skill up ring in the chest you can get. I never actually suggested a change to said zone either. Mostly the windurst areas. But this topic is not just on quests, missions but also early solo leveling places. The areas I listed was great for soloing around windurst which has the most confusing topography in the regions.

I did ask why you seem to be against the change. I'm not fighting, but It somes seem to don't get my point. But reguardless thanks for the tips.

Quite simply, the changes are not needed, and will drastically upset the structure of what the game has evolved into. You might want to take some time to review the FOV/GOV lists for those zones. They are laid out quite well to get you leveled up in a very streamlined fasion, especially with the double xp tweak.

[Edit:] just walked the path for All By Myself quest... no new threats there, nothing but the same worms, crabs, lizards, and gobs that have always been there. So.... that example is dispelled. So, the only quests you've provided an example for is one that is easily remedied by having a reliable means for snk/inv to complete it.

[Edit2:]

There are 6 mobs from 1-3... in that top areas and high levels kill them for the skill up ring in the chest you can get

Whaaaat??!! High levels killing level 1-3 mobs for prowess to get the rings? Did you really just state that? /facepalm.

[Rosina]

Quite simply, the changes are not needed, and will drastically upset the structure of what the game has evolved into. You might want to take some time to review the FOV/GOV lists for those zones. They are laid out quite well to get you leveled up in a very streamlined fasion, especially with the double xp tweak.

But if no one is actually USING said zones, why should the change matter.

All i see people doing is solo to 10.... leech/burn in gusgen mines till about 24. Then leech/burn in crawlers nest till aboit 30-70. then leech burn in abyssea zones of la theine, the range, and the desert. I barely seen anyone in the ruins or canal.

The changes were not needed in the first place. I'm not asking to change every zone. Just the windurst region for better leveling @ lower levels, ease of doing quests that were/are easy.

You can still have gov in the area just present at the old level. Why does these basic areas need to be high level?

You may not see a need... but I do.