Race balance

[Rambus]

What? I think you have that backwards.

how so? max mp is worthless and in abyssea its all about how much HP you can get so you do not get oneshoted.

STR is factored twice and about pinking race, like i knew this starting the game -.-

I find it strange though how Japanese can talk about it for 53 pages and here its more of "i don't care"

taru:
str: last
dex: tied with second last and only 3 more then elvaan
AGI: second
VIT: last ( tied with mithra)
MND: last
CHR: first ( 3 races are tied for this, then 2 under them, so basically this is meaningless)
hp: last
INT: first
MP:first

taru stats as a total is too low. too meny last and the fact INT and MP does not factor much.

the only stat i repect is our AGI, we have too low mnd, hp, str,dex to be offset by int and mp

[rog]

how so? max mp is worthless and in abyssea its all about how much HP you can get so you do not get oneshoted.

Str is not counted twice. Fstr is always capped anyway, so adding more does not increase it.

Not sure why you think max mp is worthless.

[Komori]

Sounds to me more like you just want Tarus to rock at everything. But I quite enjoy watching tarus get one-shotted by the softest hitting of things. You were meant to be mages.

If STR and HP meant that much to you, you should've picked something else. I'm not trying to be insensitive but cosmetics aren't everything in this game. I chose Mithra not only because I like the looks (and I'm actually female) but because I had a genuine interest in jobs like THF and DNC which are greatly benefitted by the race.

[Rambus]

Sounds to me more like you just want Tarus to rock at everything. But I quite enjoy watching tarus get one-shotted by the softest hitting of things. You were meant to be mages.

If STR and HP meant that much to you, you should've picked something else. I'm not trying to be insensitive but cosmetics aren't everything in this game. I chose Mithra not only because I like the looks (and I'm actually female) but because I had a genuine interest in jobs like THF and DNC which are greatly benefitted by the race.

No i know there should be advantage and disadvantage; I just think there is too much disadvantage.

how does 2 stats offset 5?

I would understand if those 5 where more of a medium level then 2 high stats can offset say 1 really low one and 4 midrange but 2 offseting 5 low ones?

like i said back in the day I did not know this till like 2 years after playing, you are not going to start over back in 2005.

max mp has always been worthless, its all about how you keep it up. Abyssea just shoves that fact in your face.

and I am not going to be a guy playing a girl cat, too much of that already.

I think hume/mithra are best balanced, not sure about the rest I was concerned about my race.

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But no, seriously, Is it really that big of a game-breaker? I assumed skill would cover up any discrepancies in Racial stats at end-game, but I wouldn't really know.

[rog]

max mp has always been worthless, its all about how you keep it up. Abyssea just shoves that fact in your face.

Until you realize that recovering mp faster does you no good if you can run out of mp in 5 nukes. Sorry, but mp recovery only matters in the long term. In the short term, you are limited by your max mp.

[Rambus]

<- Guy playing a cat girl.

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But no, seriously, Is it really that big of a game-breaker? I assumed skill would cover up any discrepancies in Racial stats at end-game, but I wouldn't really know.

I guess not, its more of an uh "show-off" thing with numbers i guess, and my logical agurement of saying "I do not understand that we have 2 stats to try offset 5". I also think those 5 have greater impacts then my 2 (well lol vit but still =/)

Until you realize that recovering mp faster does you no good if you can run out of mp in 5 nukes. Sorry, but mp recovery only matters in the long term. In the short term, you are limited by your max mp.

This has to end with agree to disagree or it will not end well.
I will say this though, with resting gear and so on I do find max mp worthless even before milkin. The only time max MP matters is when you have to solo outside abyssea ( meaning no milkin)

I played RDM as first job, then blm, then blu, then sch while playing SMN, then WHM, then SCH again so I think I know what I am talking about. I never used mp+ gear unless it was SMN becasue there is nothing better. even on SMN mp gear was a last resort.

Max MP being good is harder now that you can sub for convert. the only logical stance there is ( more for gear argument, not racial base) to have a hp+/mp+ balance tug of war to balance mp and hp for a convert macro. btw I think other races did that on RDM better then taru did, though I have no idea with what things are like now.

[rog]

This has to end with agree to disagree or it will not end well.
I will say this though, with resting gear and so on I do find max mp worthless even before milkin. The only time max MP matters is when you have to solo outside abyssea ( meaning no milkin)

Sup.

If you want to kill a mob that takes 10 blizzard 3s to kill, would you rather have:

1) 1200 mp, 2 mp/tic refresh
or
2) 1000 mp, 5/tic refresh?

Max mp is irrelevant in the long term, and only rate of recovery matters. However in the short term, the opposite is true. There is no room for opinions here, it's just a fact.

[Rambus]

Sup.

If you want to kill a mob that takes 10 blizzard 3s to kill, would you rather have:

1) 1200 mp, 2 mp/tic refresh
or
2) 1000 mp, 5/tic refresh?

Max mp is irrelevant in the long term, and only rate of recovery matters. However in the short term, the opposite is true. There is no room for opinions here, it's just a fact.

Yeah I can see it being a soloing issue as mage, but thats about it, if you factor out convert (since race difference is a lot smaller with convert macros and taru may not actally have the best hp/mp convert macro)

(I am saying as general, I am having trobble mathing that to answer that, you have to factor recasts and such or if you can sleep and rest between blizzard III since you can get 1 tic of rest with only depending on that spell)

[Komori]

To be honest, the japanese version of this thread probably went further because it was probably talking about the benefits of being the different races rather than.
"I think Tarus need to be buff, nuff said".