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    Player Vangoh's Avatar
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    MY GOD PEOPLE!!!!! Stop the fighting!!! I had to go to sleep 'cause I was sleepy but....has any of the con-phoenix down has stated a reason why is a bad idea or they just say "is unnecessary and annoying" that's all I hear, in contrast to that I just made a quick reading on the post and some dude gave a good point. Why are there oils/powders when there is already sneak/invis? Why are there antidotes when there are poisona/paralyna/etc? So is just natural to have a phoenix down in the game to raise other people. I don't see how this would create a black hole in the universe and suck it all in.

    AND FOR THE RECORD, I NEVER EVER! Said anything about reraising one self I strictly and specifically said that a Phoenix Down would only serve to the purpose of raising ANOTHER person when they're down. And for those who still don't know what a Phoenix Down is, it's an item from previous Final Fantasys' that would do the same effect as the spell Life(which is called Raise in FFXI) and would revive from KO to whoever was down without the need of using mp or requiring a mage's presence to do so.
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  2. #122
    Player Zyeriis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vangoh View Post
    MY GOD PEOPLE!!!!! Stop the fighting!!! I had to go to sleep 'cause I was sleepy but....has any of the con-phoenix down has stated a reason why is a bad idea or they just say "is unnecessary and annoying" that's all I hear, in contrast to that I just made a quick reading on the post and some dude gave a good point. Why are there oils/powders when there is already sneak/invis? Why are there antidotes when there are poisona/paralyna/etc? So is just natural to have a phoenix down in the game to raise other people. I don't see how this would create a black hole in the universe and suck it all in.

    AND FOR THE RECORD, I NEVER EVER! Said anything about reraising one self I strictly and specifically said that a Phoenix Down would only serve to the purpose of raising ANOTHER person when they're down. And for those who still don't know what a Phoenix Down is, it's an item from previous Final Fantasys' that would do the same effect as the spell Life(which is called Raise in FFXI) and would revive from KO to whoever was down without the need of using mp or requiring a mage's presence to do so.
    1) Actually read the posts.
    2) Powders/Oils are self target.
    3) Antidotes are self target.
    4) Your second post has multiple instances of talking about reraise.
    5) I'm not getting into how pointless or overpowered this would be, again, if you cannot see it by now, I pity you.
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  3. #123
    Player Vangoh's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyeriis View Post
    4) Your second post has multiple instances of talking about reraise.
    No foo! To make it short what my second post meant was "Who the hell is talking about reraise? forget reraise and focus on the topic of the thread" people started with reraise on the post before me you just read it wrong, get it right and don't twist what I said. And yes those items are self targeted but they also exist for the same purpose that their respective derived spell. And no, as I said you people only say how unnecessary the item is and for some reason don't back up your responses only say is no good, gimme a good why not.
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  4. #124
    Player Zyeriis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vangoh View Post
    No foo! To make it short what my second post meant was "Who the hell is talking about reraise? forget reraise and focus on the topic of the thread" people started with reraise on the post before me you just read it wrong, get it right and don't twist what I said. And yes those items are self targeted but they also exist for the same purpose that their respective derived spell. And no, as I said you people only say how unnecessary the item is and for some reason don't back up your responses only say is no good, gimme a good why not.
    Refer to #1. Not getting into this again.
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  5. #125
    Player InfamousDS's Avatar
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    For Clarification:

    Raise: Available to WHM and SCH at level 25. RDM and PLD @ 50+. As a subjob spell for 50+.
    Reraise: Available to WHM and SCH at level 25. No other jobs. As a subjob spell @ 50+.
    Reraise Scroll: 1-time use only, not the easiest item to reacquire mid-event.
    Reraise Equipment: Varied, but mostly expensive for ~10 charges. While more than 1 can be carried, the equipment slot must be changed in order to be used. Additionally, in high-death situations, the recast may not be available.
    Reraise Items: Generally hard to acquire, almost always (R), 1-time use.

    While it is physically possible to carry as many as 4 or more RR means at any given time, it is not economic. 4 inventory slots are taken, and the cost (of time or gil) outweighs the gain. A Phoenix Down, in its purest form, (i.e the way they were used in other games) would allow the other 18 jobs to raise before level 50. It would also allow more fluid events, because the designated healers would not have to take time casting a relative long spell while the monster deals constant high damage (thus taking the chance of another player dying). If 4 important people are dead in an alliance of 18, but you only have 3 main heal and 2 support heal (support are both Dancer), then all your heavy healers are preoccupied. As a career Dancer, I can say safely that while we have the ability to heal well, the recast timers on Cure are much more forgiving in high-tension situations like the above. A Phoenix Down would allow anyone else to assist in raising, taking away the temporary strain on the healers, and may even prevent further death.
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