Where is my Phoenix Down?!

[Coldbrand]

No, you're the one who has that expectation. Remember? No one should EVER forget a reraise item. Problems with your short term memory?

[Zyeriis]

No, you're the one who has that expectation. Remember? No one should EVER forget a reraise item. Problems with your short term memory?

You're an idiot :/ That is a horrible albeit failure of an attempt to twist some one's words to fit your skewed context.

[Coldbrand]

Yes, all 2 person groups must be X/Healer. Ok. It's almost as if having better functioning items like EVERY OTHER FF GAME IN HISTORY would allow for that to be untrue(even though it already is.) Thanks for proving my point, phoenix downs are great. They target other people, and even with reraise they're still used. Ever played FFT? When my whitemage with reraise goes down twice, guess what comes next!

[Zyeriis]

Yes, all 2 person groups must be X/Healer. Ok. It's almost as if having better functioning items like EVERY OTHER FF GAME IN HISTORY would allow for that to be untrue(even though it already is.) Thanks for proving my point, phoenix downs are great. They target other people, and even with reraise they're still used. Ever played FFT? When my whitemage with reraise goes down twice, guess what comes next!

Words + you + my mouth = Disgraceful.
No one said they had to be maining healing. And if you have the chance to die, if you have no healing abilities, you're an idiot. There's an argument? Okay, whatever you say. Also, this isn't FFT.

If you want phoenix downs just so you don't have to have a mage or any form of healing, why should I care? If you want to not die, buy potions, oh wait, those aren't cost effective. Why would phoenix downs be?

[vungster]

Atma of the Apocalypse prevents RR failures.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I wonder if i can be more condescending and arrogant than coldbrand

"People still die!!1!.. what losers >:U"


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[Coldbrand]

Phoenix downs are a staple of the FF series. Fact.
Having phoenix downs would reduce the need for healers (specifically people who can cast raise.) Fact.
Phoenix downs would be useful even in the presence of reraise. Fact.

http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/

If you were reading all my posts I presented the idea of rare/ex phoenix downs in my first post. Never have I mentioned 99 stacks. Oops.

[Zyeriis]

Phoenix downs are a staple of the FF series. Fact.
Having phoenix downs would reduce the need for healers (specifically people who can cast raise.) Fact.
Phoenix downs would be useful even in the presence of reraise. Fact.

http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/

If you were reading all my posts I presented the idea of rare/ex phoenix downs in my first post. Never have I mentioned 99 stacks. Oops.

Some one has reading issues :/ "Unless you want stacks of 99 phoenix downs" =/= you said you wanted that.

"Phoenix Downs reduce the constant urgency to always have a healer nearby, which I think is a positive." Opinion.
"Phoenix Downs are useful regardless of the existence of the various forms of reraise, which I don't think is debatable," Opinion.

[Coldbrand]

Some one has reading issues :/ "Unless you want stacks of 99 phoenix downs" =/= you said you wanted that.

"Phoenix Downs reduce the constant urgency to always have a healer nearby, which I think is a positive." Opinion.
"Phoenix Downs are useful regardless of the existence of the various forms of reraise, which I don't think is debatable," Opinion.

It's not a matter of opinion that they're useful regardless of reraise. It can be proven easily. Here:

I'm an adventurer, I cast reraise and fight a hard fight with a group. I die, reraise item is used up. I die again, but the WHM is also dead, phoenix down brings me back up.

Phoenix Down was useful in that situation functioning as it would in any other game in the series. The only way it wouldn't be a fact is if it was implemented in a way that bared no resemblance to the rest of the franchise, which the vast majority of the items in the game don't do. Potions are still potions, ethers are still ethers, etc.

My statement that I think it's positive that the monopoly on party presence that healers have being lessened is a positive is an opinion yes, however no matter how small the reduction in their necessity may be, any change is in fact a change and therefore the first part of that sentence is a fact.

[Zyeriis]

It's not a matter of opinion that they're useful regardless of reraise. It can be proven easily. Here:

I'm an adventurer, I cast reraise and fight a hard fight with a group. I die, reraise item is used up. I die again, but the WHM is also dead, phoenix down brings me back up.

Phoenix Down was useful in that situation functioning as it would in any other game in the series. The only way it wouldn't be a fact is if it was implemented in a way that bared no resemblance to the rest of the franchise, which the vast majority of the items in the game don't do. Potions are still potions, ethers are still ethers, etc.

My statement that I think it's positive that the monopoly on party presence that healers have being lessened is a positive is an opinion yes, however no matter how small the reduction in their necessity may be, any change is in fact a change and therefore the first part of that sentence is a fact.

How many chances do you need? Dying has to mean something, that's why it's called dying.

That's what Reraise is, your second chance. You have to fail at some point, that's called experience.