Heavy Metal Plates

[svengalis]

Your statement is idiotic. It's essentially impossible to farm up the HMP yourself.

Also, if you believe that SE isn't going to lower the 1500 number and that HMP will not come from any other sources in the future then you would be foolish not to be buying now. Right now, VW is still going (mostly) strong. Pulse cells have extended VW's lifetime a bit. But if SE introduces gear that is accessible to the masses and surpasses pulse gear then VW will die. And the HMP market will dry up.

Its impossible for you to set up a VW T3 shout?

[Demon6324236]

Its impossible for you to set up a VW T3 shout?

More than 1000 which would be required? Yes

[detlef]

Assuming a 25% drop rate for HMP from Jeuno T3, one can expect 6000 fights to collect 1500 plates. That's a hell of a lot of voiddust. About 120m if you assume 20k per. Please do not suggest doing Campaign for AN because under ideal conditions you can earn enough AN to pay for fewer than 3 voiddust per hour. And it's hard to justify doing an hour of Campaign battles for 60k worth of voiddust.

Your suggestion that we should "play the game" to obtain the HMP directly through drops instead of buying them is idiotic.

[Monchat]

its the good old noob mentality that do not understand trade in this game. Real fishermen fish their own moat carps. Why PL a craft with the AH when you could mine all your ores!! lol.


'cos my time is more precious than my gil.

[svengalis]

Supply and demand effect pricing. Currently the supply and demand is keeping prices at 100~120k each. If SE made the amount needed smaller or increased the supply to a proper amount the price would decrease with time.

It also has to do with the fact that not many people do VW. I see the same people shouting every single day. When I join the alliance it's pretty the same people who do all other VW to. If more people did it then it wouldn't even be an issue. Really it's not SE fault that the players choose not to do the events.

[svengalis]

Assuming a 25% drop rate for HMP from Jeuno T3, one can expect 6000 fights to collect 1500 plates. That's a hell of a lot of voiddust. About 120m if you assume 20k per. Please do not suggest doing Campaign for AN because under ideal conditions you can earn enough AN to pay for fewer than 3 voiddust per hour. And it's hard to justify doing an hour of Campaign battles for 60k worth of voiddust.

Your suggestion that we should "play the game" to obtain the HMP directly through drops instead of buying them is idiotic.

LOL the game has to have time syncs or it will be Abyssea all over again: People getting done with content then begging for more. You guys are funny. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Think about it(I said this once and I'll say it again) If you got all your plates done would you continue to keep shouting for VW T3 runs??? Like I see some of the same people doing everyday. Not only does requiring 1500 plates gives the player a since of accomplishment it also extends the life of the event for those who wish to make their characters the best they can possible be. Will SE lower this requirement in the future or make the plates easier to obtain? Probably but I am sure they won't do it until they can add content in the game that could make our characters reach an even higher threshold.

[Demon6324236]

It also has to do with the fact that not many people do VW. I see the same people shouting every single day. When I join the alliance it's pretty the same people who do all other VW to. If more people did it then it wouldn't even be an issue. Really it's not SE fault that the players choose not to do the events.

Rewards effect motivation, motivation effects participation. SE gave rewards that are few and far between, with low drop rates and only 1 spot they can possibly drop in of your box. This leads to alot of people not actually doing it events as much as they might. For instance something I said back near the start of this thread...

Simple fix to supply if they wanted. Plates can drop in junk slots, plates always drop in HQ slots if it is not a HQ item. In the case of Pouch NMs pouches would still be HQ drops in the HQ slot, anything that is junk in the HQ slot should be a normal plate still. Abyssea gave 1 item on every kill always and you only required 50~75 of them, that number is 1/20th at most of the plate requirement I think it fair we always get at least 1 plate on NMs that drop them if not more.

If plates dropped like this all NMs would be worth fighting in some way. Also all spots would have a reason, as I'm sure you know everyone wants capped red light, but the rest dont matter, they are nice to have higher but they are meaningless for the most part, as are cells that raise them such as cobalt. Rewards on VW are the reason for it not being done, there is alot of waste throughout the event that SE does not fix, or fixes in minor and somewhat foolish ways.

[Demon6324236]

That's why I know the best how hard they are to get. As soon as 2 ou 3 people buy them at the same time, they do not pop in bazars you have to shout all day. I felt lucky when I found 3 in bazars after the JP go to sleep.

I mean no offense but honestly I can understand they are hard to get, but it makes it no easier when a single player is taking 3000(50 lv99 Emps worth) all to themselves...

[svengalis]

Rewards effect motivation, motivation effects participation. SE gave rewards that are few and far between, with low drop rates and only 1 spot they can possibly drop in of your box. This leads to alot of people not actually doing it events as much as they might. For instance something I said back near the start of this thread...



If plates dropped like this all NMs would be worth fighting in some way. Also all spots would have a reason, as I'm sure you know everyone wants capped red light, but the rest dont matter, they are nice to have higher but they are meaningless for the most part, as are cells that raise them such as cobalt. Rewards on VW are the reason for it not being done, there is alot of waste throughout the event that SE does not fix, or fixes in minor and somewhat foolish ways.

Then it would be kind of lame honestly. Players would choose the easiest monsters then spam them over and over. At least with the T3s they are not too much of pushovers and you still need a decent setup to beat them.

I like to have some sort of challenge when playing games otherwise it just seems kinda pointless.

[Demon6324236]

Then it would be kind of lame honestly. Players would choose the easiest monsters then spam them over and over. At least with the T3s they are not too much of pushovers and you still need a decent setup to beat them.

I like to have some sort of challenge when playing games otherwise it just seems kinda pointless.

True, thats why drop rates for higher tiers should be higher or certain NMs(cities, possibly T1~2 Jeuno) should not drop them. However many NMs are untouched, as it has been said before Aht & Tav NMs are almost never fought and many of them will never be heavily fought because the rewards are not worth it to people. Not many people want the items from them, so they are impossible to do.

As for people doing the easy thing that is what already happens anyways. Zilart is a great example of it. Qilin shouts are very common. Uptala shouts are less common but they do happen every 1~2 days or so. Aello is a hard fight by compare, and is only done 1, possibly 2 times a week. The rewards for Aello are some nice WS legs, a good nuking earring, and a sword that is one of the best in the game, but sadly they are almost impossible because people do not like the hard fight.

So far as it stands alot of the plate drops actually make no sense, for instance how for some reason T3s drop plates however the next tier up does not, and none do till T6. T6s are even worse, they are much harder than T3s, and harder than Zilart NMs, however they still only drop a single plate. Plates need to be more common, plates need to be able to be gotten in trash spots so they have a reason to the common player, rather than just going to NPCs when the run ends, plates need to be changed.