Heavy Metal Plates

[Reiterpallasch]

What will happen when VW is old content that nobody cares to do anymore though? That 1500 will end up being one hell of a lot harder to come by if they don't do something about the current system.

[Monchat]

If you think the lv 95 trials are hard, you didn't look into the 99 trials. HMP trials are fine, because the HMP price is comparable to what you have to do to get a 95 relic, and 90 trials cost almost nothing even if you buy POP items (I spent less than 15 Mils for AH pops on daurdabla trials for example.)

What's more HMP is very common in bazars, the supply is there if you are willing to pay for 120~150k.

The 99 trials are bullcrap. Riftcinder is especially rare and hunted down in bazars by many people, price jump to retarded amounts. 99 trials for relics are the opposite: umbral marrows are massively farmed, and their bazar prices has droped a lot in the last 2 months.

Whether you think those upgrades are not worth it or are worth is not the issue. If you want the best weapon for your job, you have to make them. I see many people claim they are not worth it because they "only" give DMG lol. DMG is awsome. It means in any situation, melee or WS, hard mobs or lower mobs, your damage improves, contrary to +STR/DEX/ATT/ACC etc. Vereth and spharai get 10~15% dmg up from 90 to 95 which is a lot.

I'd aggree though, that Daurdabla lv 95 trials is a masochist joke form the Devs because the upgrades are actually = to nothing (skill doesnt mean anything anymore to brd). They are just a painful step for the true upgrade: lv 99 trials.

[Demon6324236]

If you think the lv 95 trials are hard, you didn't look into the 99 trials. HMP trials are fine, because the HMP price is comparable to what you have to do to get a 95 relic, and 90 trials cost almost nothing even if you buy POP items (I spent less than 15 Mils for AH pops on daurdabla trials for example.)

What's more HMP is very common in bazars, the supply is there if you are willing to pay for 120~150k.

Let me just quickly point out, that anything more than 100k for plates and they are no where near the same cost as a Relic. At 100k its 150Mil vs 121~142Mil. At 110k its 165Mil, with 120k its 180Mil. 150k each would be completely stupid pricing because once you get that high you are talking about 225Mil, which is more than 1.7 times the price of an average Relic.

The 99 trials are bullcrap. Riftcinder is especially rare and hunted down in bazars by many people, price jump to retarded amounts. 99 trials for relics are the opposite: umbral marrows are massively farmed, and their bazar prices has droped a lot in the last 2 months.

Yes, lv99 trials are bad as well, but not alot of point in complaining about them when alot of people don't actually make it that far due to the problem of Plates.

Whether you think those upgrades are not worth it or are worth is not the issue. If you want the best weapon for your job, you have to make them. I see many people claim they are not worth it because they "only" give DMG lol. DMG is awsome. It means in any situation, melee or WS, hard mobs or lower mobs, your damage improves, contrary to +STR/DEX/ATT/ACC etc. Vereth and spharai get 10~15% dmg up from 90 to 95 which is a lot.

I'd aggree though, that Daurdabla lv 95 trials is a masochist joke form the Devs because the upgrades are actually = to nothing (skill doesnt mean anything anymore to brd). They are just a painful step for the true upgrade: lv 99 trials.

Thats the thing, they are worth upgrading just not at the cost were talking about. The DMG is good to have but when it comes down to it I ask myself. Do I want my Almace to get lv95, or would I rather make another job of mine a relic from start to lv95 for less money even? The trials become worthless at that time because while they offer benefits they aren't worth the cost.

Just a final note by the way, I'm sorry to say but your claim at the inability to find Cinder/Dross is somewhat belittled by the fact you actually wasted enough Cinder to get afterglow on your H2H...

[svengalis]

I think the number required is alright, when you can get 6-11 HMP on something like a qilin run, but I agree the drop rate should be considered for adjustment. I have all priepts for VW, and did Qilin 18 times yesterday, and didn't get a single HMP. Each Qilin had capped lights, and I traded 3 rubi cells each time and even 3 cobalt on 4 of the runs. If you received 10-20 for doing that many pops each time, 1500 at least seems obtainable, especially considering you can buy them from bazaars.

I should note this was the worst drop rate i've experienced with HMP, I usually at the very least get a pouch of 3 from a x6 Qilin or Aello run.

Sounds like you would be better off just taking the cruor and turn it into Gil and just buy the plates.

[Vivivivi]

Sounds like you would be better off just taking the cruor and turn it into Gil and just buy the plates.

Oh I wasn't even after the HMP for myself, I was just reporting back how often they dropped in a lengthy run. I don't plan on taking an empyrean weapon past level 90 for a long time if ever.

[svengalis]

I finished 99 Ukon in March, that was what - around 6 months after the trial was implemented, so I'd hardly call myself an early adopter. Furthermore, it would have taken a lot longer if not for the fact I'm blessed with some amazing friends who gave me a total of 600ish plates that they'd gotten from fights.




Wrong. If the amount is lowered, I'll get angry because it would mean I have wasted millions of gil, and my awesome friends might as well have thrown away all the plates they gave to me.

I would in fact welcome it if SE makes heavy metal plates (and riftdross/riftcinder) easier to get. I have friends that want to upgrade their weapon(s), and I'd love to see them do just that.

No one forced you to buy the plates that was your own decision.

[svengalis]

You guys kill me with the " cost" of these weapons. They don't cost anything if you play the game and farm the materials yourself.

[Demon6324236]

You guys kill me with the " cost" of these weapons. They don't cost anything if you play the game and farm the materials yourself.

On average T3 Jeuno parties I see 2 plates in 6 kills. On average T3 Zilart I see 1 pouch for every 10~12 kills. Farming the materials would take roughly 4500 T3 Jeuno NMs, or with extreme luck, around 1200 T3 Zilart NMs.

[detlef]

You guys kill me with the " cost" of these weapons. They don't cost anything if you play the game and farm the materials yourself.

Your statement is idiotic. It's essentially impossible to farm up the HMP yourself.

Also, if you believe that SE isn't going to lower the 1500 number and that HMP will not come from any other sources in the future then you would be foolish not to be buying now. Right now, VW is still going (mostly) strong. Pulse cells have extended VW's lifetime a bit. But if SE introduces gear that is accessible to the masses and surpasses pulse gear then VW will die. And the HMP market will dry up.

[Monchat]

You guys kill me with the " cost" of these weapons. They don't cost anything if you play the game and farm the materials yourself.

lol. It costs you time then... and it was obvious from the first week the trials were released that it would be impossible to farm solo (oh yeah lets farm 2 years for HMP when farmign the gil takes 1 month in dynamis).

Just a final note by the way, I'm sorry to say but your claim at the inability to find Cinder/Dross is somewhat belittled by the fact you actually wasted enough Cinder to get afterglow on your H2H...

That's why I know the best how hard they are to get. As soon as 2 ou 3 people buy them at the same time, they do not pop in bazars you have to shout all day. I felt lucky when I found 3 in bazars after the JP go to sleep.