New Red Mage Spells

[Demon6324236]

If it was an effect that was given only so long as the RDM was also meleeing it would be fine, hell, might encourage people to let RDMs melee, good idea.

[saevel]

Can you imagine if SE gave the spells/abilities of SCH and/or GEO to RDM as opposed to creating those jobs?

Everything in those jobs were suggestions made to augment RDM to make it more "viable" vs the dedicated mages. Even most of BLU and DNC is from the older RDM discussions we've had. SE's been using RDM discussions for a very long time as a free think tank for job ideas. My personal belief is that SCH should of never been created and instead had it's JA's passed around. LA/DA should of been given to RDM with some of the stratagems going to WHM and BLM respectively. The fact that SCH gets a JA that boosts elemental damage while BLM doesn't is hilarious.

[Daemon]

So no RDM isnt usefull at all atm

Chainspell Stun is the only real useful thing we have left for RDM (That's if it's not completely Immune/Resisted)

[Demon6324236]

Even that has more limited use than ever before, SCH can stack up Haste & Fast Cast to the extent they can stun with Tabula Rasa almost as fast as RDM can CSS I believe, that's how linkshells did Legion, they had SCH come for Embrava and then while TR was still up the SCH stunlocked the NM.

[Daemon]

Even that has more limited use than ever before, SCH can stack up Haste & Fast Cast to the extent they can stun with Tabula Rasa almost as fast as RDM can CSS I believe, that's how linkshells did Legion, they had SCH come for Embrava and then while TR was still up the SCH stunlocked the NM.

At what sacrifice? You can't expect 1 person to be a 1 man show for every situation. Sch needs enhancing set for embrava, then switch over to haste/fast cast gear to be the stunner. In every party I've been invited to be scholar, I was assigned 1 roll be it main healer or stunner, but not all rolls.

Can't give entire party phalanx/refresh/Haste if subjob is /BLM for stun.

Doesn't mean RDM is totally useless just because SCH can "almost" stun just as fast as Red mage Chainspell. Dia III is still the best Dia spell in game, and Redmage doesn't struggle as much enfeebling as other jobs do. Because RDM have higher stat gear in the enhancing/enfeebling department than other mages means less gear, less gear swaps.

RDM spells last longer than other jobs because of composure/Increase Enhancing magic effect duration gear.

Yes Scholar can use perpetuance, but at the cost of 1 strategem making it difficult to give everyone in party a long lasting buff.

We should all be argueing the bad sides of the job but don't destroy the only little good sides that's left.

[Damane]

Chainspell Stun is the only real useful thing we have left for RDM (That's if it's not completely Immune/Resisted)

thats replaced by 2-3 sch/blms haveing marches haste and stratagems. not to mention sch/blm have way less resist rates on stun due to better dark magic skill then rdm. (this is considering ally fights).

This is what I suggested considering RDM WHM and SCH against each other:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post437021

[Daemon]

thats replaced by 2-3 sch/blms haveing marches haste and stratagems. not to mention sch/blm have way less resist rates on stun due to better dark magic skill then rdm. (this is considering ally fights).

This is what I suggested considering RDM WHM and SCH against each other:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post437021

Replace is one thing, completely useless is another. ADL at 50% HP I use Chainspell stun in a low man party and haven't lost yet.

Delve NMs at 10% HP using Chainspell stun has done wonders.

As for Dark magic, there is gear for this.

Red mage can cap Fastcast way easier than SCH or any other mage. And SCH cannot have max Occ Quickspell due to not being able to wear Dalmatica.

[Demon6324236]

Doesn't mean RDM is totally useless just because SCH can "almost" stun just as fast as Red mage Chainspell. Dia III is still the best Dia spell in game, and Redmage doesn't struggle as much enfeebling as other jobs do. Because RDM have higher stat gear in the enhancing/enfeebling department than other mages means less gear, less gear swaps.

My point was that for stun locking NMs RDM is still losing interest and use because SCH can basically do the same now days. Back when Chainspell stood out it was a real reason to bring RDM, now other jobs can do nearly the same. Does that mean I am saying its useless? No, I am just pointing out that its another of those advantages we have lost over time because of high levels of gear. Kind of like how PLD lost some of its use thanks to such high PDT gear DDs can reach because they can take more damage than ever before. If jobs could not stack it up that high for recast then it might be a better reason to bring RDM, but now that people have other options its not as big of a reason to take RDM.

[Daemon]

My point was that for stun locking NMs RDM is still losing interest and use because SCH can basically do the same now days. Back when Chainspell stood out it was a real reason to bring RDM, now other jobs can do nearly the same. Does that mean I am saying its useless? No, I am just pointing out that its another of those advantages we have lost over time because of high levels of gear. Kind of like how PLD lost some of its use thanks to such high PDT gear DDs can reach because they can take more damage than ever before. If jobs could not stack it up that high for recast then it might be a better reason to bring RDM, but now that people have other options its not as big of a reason to take RDM.

Yes I know scholar can do a lot of things. But it's not God, and SCH is not an easy job to play. It requires a lot of gear, a lot of macros compared to redmage. Which one of the 2 jobs do u think can survive longer? 5 strategems limits how fast a scholar can do things. By the time SCH cast 3 spells redmage can cast more than 5.

SCH doesn't have as much DD gear options and cannot equip a good majority of the aug gears that RDM can. For solo purposes Storms give +7 stats, redmage gain spells can give +25. (INT/MND for enfeebles, VIT for tanking when mob agros is where RDM wins over SCH or any other job)

Someone said earlier they can make Mag. Acc delve gear for enfeebles, RDM doesn't even need to struggle getting yet more gear for this.

To even come close to stacking fastcast gear to RDM is even a huge challenge (And Redmage has the ability to have highest Occ. Quick Spellcasting over SCH) and yes it makes that much of a big difference. Still Chainspell stun is instant cast, can't go faster than that and even if you did stun does not overlay if the mob is already stunned. You get that message that says "Has no effect"

SCH has to wear Haste/Fastcast gear for stun, RDM doesn't.

SCH has to go through a job ability to make buffs stick longer each spell, redmage doesn't. Which is another reason why redmage can do other things faster than SCH.

As I said, we should be arguing about the bad sides of the job and not destroy what good sides are left because its these kind of posts that other people see and assume that RDM is completely useless and this is one of the reason why people don't want us in party.

Otherwise keep giving praise to scholar lol.

[saevel]

If your CSSing ADL your doing it wrong.

Really wrong.