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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Doesn't mean RDM is totally useless just because SCH can "almost" stun just as fast as Red mage Chainspell. Dia III is still the best Dia spell in game, and Redmage doesn't struggle as much enfeebling as other jobs do. Because RDM have higher stat gear in the enhancing/enfeebling department than other mages means less gear, less gear swaps.
    My point was that for stun locking NMs RDM is still losing interest and use because SCH can basically do the same now days. Back when Chainspell stood out it was a real reason to bring RDM, now other jobs can do nearly the same. Does that mean I am saying its useless? No, I am just pointing out that its another of those advantages we have lost over time because of high levels of gear. Kind of like how PLD lost some of its use thanks to such high PDT gear DDs can reach because they can take more damage than ever before. If jobs could not stack it up that high for recast then it might be a better reason to bring RDM, but now that people have other options its not as big of a reason to take RDM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    My point was that for stun locking NMs RDM is still losing interest and use because SCH can basically do the same now days. Back when Chainspell stood out it was a real reason to bring RDM, now other jobs can do nearly the same. Does that mean I am saying its useless? No, I am just pointing out that its another of those advantages we have lost over time because of high levels of gear. Kind of like how PLD lost some of its use thanks to such high PDT gear DDs can reach because they can take more damage than ever before. If jobs could not stack it up that high for recast then it might be a better reason to bring RDM, but now that people have other options its not as big of a reason to take RDM.
    Yes I know scholar can do a lot of things. But it's not God, and SCH is not an easy job to play. It requires a lot of gear, a lot of macros compared to redmage. Which one of the 2 jobs do u think can survive longer? 5 strategems limits how fast a scholar can do things. By the time SCH cast 3 spells redmage can cast more than 5.

    SCH doesn't have as much DD gear options and cannot equip a good majority of the aug gears that RDM can. For solo purposes Storms give +7 stats, redmage gain spells can give +25. (INT/MND for enfeebles, VIT for tanking when mob agros is where RDM wins over SCH or any other job)

    Someone said earlier they can make Mag. Acc delve gear for enfeebles, RDM doesn't even need to struggle getting yet more gear for this.

    To even come close to stacking fastcast gear to RDM is even a huge challenge (And Redmage has the ability to have highest Occ. Quick Spellcasting over SCH) and yes it makes that much of a big difference. Still Chainspell stun is instant cast, can't go faster than that and even if you did stun does not overlay if the mob is already stunned. You get that message that says "Has no effect"

    SCH has to wear Haste/Fastcast gear for stun, RDM doesn't.

    SCH has to go through a job ability to make buffs stick longer each spell, redmage doesn't. Which is another reason why redmage can do other things faster than SCH.

    As I said, we should be arguing about the bad sides of the job and not destroy what good sides are left because its these kind of posts that other people see and assume that RDM is completely useless and this is one of the reason why people don't want us in party.

    Otherwise keep giving praise to scholar lol.
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    Last edited by Daemon; 06-12-2013 at 01:11 PM.