Originally Posted by
Sarick
Scuro
It's just like every other spell that was more or less Job specific going to other jobs. Why would it matter if some of those monster type spell abilities translated into new spells for RDM?
Scuro: Say that again to your self... really slowly, mkay now think about it how do BLU's get their spells..... No not from an NPC..... ya Monsters, so its almost like..... if a monster does something that is ONLY used by unique sets of monsters that it should belong to BLU. Its like that makes sense. Now lets see here, does a RDM get fat tp store? Nah because thats SAM and RNG.... ya kind of unique to them. Does RDM get steps and waltzes.... nope that sounds a lot like a DNC.... now do you see how the trend works? RDM's spell abilities are either limited to RDM unique things like Temper or Refresh.... Or to WHM or BLM spells NOT things that belong to mobs.
You see the pattern here. Just because blu can get it through a monster ability or spell doesn't equal it being blue specific. There are so many spells that don't identify RDM anymore. THe BLU spells identify the job by coping monster abilities. RDM can have spells that do the same thing and not encroach on blu.
Scuro: Thats because RDM never had spells that "Defined it" aside from Refresh because it is a class designed to use both WHM and BLM, and not to be a specialist, which is a big problem in a game that is pushing for specialist jobs and exiling vague general jobs. Also do you see how that is ignorant? "Ya just because it comes from a monster doesn't mean we can't have it!" No.... thats exactly what that means, thats our turf, and you're not welcome, now would I be willing to let go of things like disease, sure why not, but if anything its going to go to a SCH before it goes to a RDM. Yet RDM is not welcome to said spells, at all. Thats like when RDMs were trying to get DD RDM to work and wanted to integrate something that would work like steps and act as a DNC..... No.... That is not you're field, nor you're expertise. You don't' see SE giving RDM death.... Nope because its a mob spell, and because it goes to whom? BLU. Do RDMs get terror spell? Nope because it goes to BLU, do you see the general trend there, mostly all of the time if its used by a mob, just take a shot in the dark as to who it is going too.
This is you again...
I think you should go back to the BLU forum and stop messing with the RDM forums because you're not out of the loop like RDM is when it comes to endgame VW events. People want a BLU for triggers you don't see them asking for RDM anymore because the job isn't as wanted.
Scuro:
For starters I wasn't in the RDM forum, it was posted on the front page of the forums, thus my intrigue, two I'm here to help level out what is reasonable for RDM and why. So you all don't get too out of control with you're wild ideas. And if you really think because I'm not a "RDM" I shouldn't be able to speak in said forums, just give me a few days, I'll hit 99 on it and than I'll be back here and doing the same thing anyway with that justification, even though the idea of leveling such a pointless job bothers me but if its for the sake of discussion, so be it.
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