[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

[Dreamin]

Okay, think it's time to derail the windower vs non-windower discussion and back to really the true topic in hand, which is:

- Dear SE, we want more than 6 lines per Macro button. If you insisted that we cannot have more than 6 lines per macro. Then all we want is some sort of mechanism to setup 'Multiple Gearsets' which contains 16 slots of gears only. Which can be setup using something similar to the current 'Equipment' menu selection. Each Gearset can then be equip by a new command '/equip gearset X' where 'X' is one of the number of pre-setted Gearsets that you would allow us to setup (please give us a few, maybe at a min 5 gearsets - I'm even willing to change the gearset each time I change job - yeah call me crazy but it's better than having nothing). If this isn't possible to do on the PS2, then make this only for the PC/Xbox 360 platform and let the PS2 ppl suffer since you're already okay with making UI enhancement that would create an unfair advantages for the PC platform already. So we're just asking that you to please be consistent and be strong and be willing to ditch the PS2 platform for future enhancement if PS2 is the current limitation.

Now, let's get back to what really should be discussed and not whether Windower is evil or not (if you really want to have that discussion, please feel free to create a new thread here or go to BG and dig up THAT old thread).

[Jackstin]

So my original assessment that it's an issue of half-assing your gearswapping was correct.

Lol. Dude who doesn't use windower must be gimp.

Yup pretty much proves my point, thanks.

[FrankReynolds]

Lol. Dude who doesn't use windower must be gimp.

Yup pretty much proves my point, thanks.

I think it was more like "Dude doesn't know how to gear swap for shit. We like him though, so maybe if we get him on spellcast we can keep him."

[cidbahamut]

Lol. Dude who doesn't use windower must be gimp.

Yup pretty much proves my point, thanks.

Says the guy who advocates only swapping 5 pieces of gear per action at max.

Christ, learn to chain your macros already. It's not rocket science.

Here, look at this: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Macro

/macro set # Change to "#" macro line

You see that command there? That's your key to using the vanilla client to gear swap entire sets.

[Dragoy]

I, for one, don't really see Jackstin trying to make it look like he/she/other is better than the cheaters other\she\it I mean he is playing with.

I haven't ever used the windower, or anything like that, and I really don't care about other people using them. It happens in every game: people cheat, more and/or less. While it all might not directly affect other players, I have to admit, I can imagine adjusting content could become skewed due to the additionals people are using. It had been mentioned quite a lot now I see, mostly regarding Nyzul Isle II.

As for playing with the cheating linkshells or not, people have probably always been saying it: most players use something, so if one wants to do 'end-game', they're going to have to live with it, unfortunately. So with that in mind, I would not be too fast in calling one hypocrite as seen around this post.

I don't do Voidwatch or Legion, nor Nyzul Isle II and if Limbus II and Slavage (actual typo, ha!) I mean Salvage II follow the Nyzul form, I will not be doing those, and pretty much everything else in the game I can do without lots of people so I guess I am glad for not being in a situation of having to play with them cheaters. Again, though, I know cheaters, and have played with them, but not at all gaining anything from it due to them cheating andwhatnot, but if people still need to go on about that in this topic, I'll leave it at that.

Now, what was I going to say... My thoughts are quite diluted with the distraction of that which is unseen, most of the time (but sometimes heard).

I've always had a strong will for playing by the rules, so I would never call a 'cheat' progress. Obviously it often makes things better, easier, and in some cases the way it should be, or at least towards it. I guess it's because I often put myself into the position of the developer due to the things I do, so I would not like people cheating in my game, either. It's obvious this game lacks in a lot of its features, and I can not deny that 3rd party applications improve it, but it's still denied by the developers so I will play by the book then. It's just how I roll~

To be clear, I would like it a lot if many 'cheats' were to be implemented or allowed come the UI/customisation update.


As Dreamin there said, I think it's time to derail this topic back on track, so to speak.


I'll leave it at that. Probably wrote a lot again, I already forgot what... so sleepy... blubb.

¯°¯

[Tamarsamar]

I'm going to note here that I dislike cidbahamut and disagree with most of the bile he spews.

That said, he has a much more reasonable and thought-out point than Jack.

All anybody is saying is that, unless SE nerfs the playerbase hard by removing the ability to swap gear at all, people are going to exploit all the tools they have given to them to their fullest (and, in some unscrupulous people's cases, many more tools after that). Min-maxing is a fact of any game with depth, and to not anticipate that players will, eventually, one way or another, try to take advantage of this, is simply, as cid has repeated ad nauseum, bad game design.

So now that the cat is out of the bag (and SE seems to have accepted that people swap gear a long time ago), why not make it so that you can save an entire set of gear to a single command? Suddenly, 6 lines per macro seems exceedingly generous, and pressing two fewer buttons isn't exactly as game-shattering as, say, pos-hacking or item-duping, so why shouldn't SE reward legitimate players with a basic-but-significant quality-of-life enhancement for their game?

[Dragoy]

Oh yes, definitely. That's something I forgot to mention: It's definitely the game's fault that anything like windower ever game to be. As far as I know, the original intent was to be able to have the game windowed indeed, which is still quite unbelievable to think how long it took for the 'official windower' to become reality.

It is comparable to the features it now offers. It makes things better, sure, but it's still not allowed and some of as will accept that. I will probably never understand why they still are not adopting or at least doing something to better things so that such things would not be needed! I think I mentioned it before, and many others have as well, that there is the possibility of them thinking “it's all good” because people are not complaining enough (due to using roundabouts). I still don't want to believe in that, and rather think that they're just stubborn.

I will still spare some faith into the upcoming UI/plug-in update...

If things weren't so obviously inconvenient (quick example: all the situational equipment they keep throwing us, but broken means to apply use of them), there would simply be no need for (teleport) dem cheats!


Just some more random (and tired) thoughts.

[Jackstin]

Says the guy who advocates only swapping 5 pieces of gear per action at max.

Christ, learn to chain your macros already. It's not rocket science.

Here, look at this: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Macro

You see that command there? That's your key to using the vanilla client to gear swap entire sets.

That is what I do at the moment. I've already said that I no longer think 5 gear pieces is enough and we should get more macro lines. Why are you arguing against me on points I am not taking issue with? It is spellcast that is the problem. Keep up.

[Demon6324236]

Yes, people do.

Hes right, this post back on page 21 stopped that, now hes complaining about Spellcast which I have never bothered to use or look into thus I have only been reading.

[Jackstin]

Hes right, this post back on page 21 stopped that, now hes complaining about Spellcast which I have never bothered to use or look into thus I have only been reading.

Exactly. If people give me reasonable arguments, and even better, evidence, I'll totally consider it and in this case I U-turned.

I may even have U-turned if people had given me a good argument as to why Spellcast wasn't an abuse. But no one could, and instead tried to distract from the issue by forming an attack against my credibility. Which in case you haven't noticed, I now have a huge chip on my shoulder about.

Actually I've read a few of the other threads on here, and actually the people I thought were attacking me, are just as vile mannered to anyone else so I no longer take it personally. Adios.