[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

[Byrth]

Spellcast can too take the human completely out of the picture and work like a bot. You know those people standing around for hours skilling up their summon/healing magic? yeah most of those people are using spellcast.

They might be, but Spellcast does absolutely nothing to enable this. That's called a script, which is an inherent feature of windower.

[Valonquar]

Well, they are slowly making things like this a LOT less necessary. Skillups are WAY easier than they used to be. You CAN be super minmaxing your gearswaps to squeeze out more damage or efficiency on things, but honestly... there's not a lot out there in the game that really NEEDS it vs just making things somewhat easier or less hassle.

It will be interesting to see how much the future UI changes will break stuff for the people that use the 3rd party junk. I've never bothered, mostly out of laziness.

[Jackstin]

So you advocate inflicting repetitive stress injuries on players. Got it.

Try reading what I wrote. If it is too difficult, do not do it. If you are so obsessed with perfection that your only choice is to give yourself repetitive stress injuries, or cheat, then you are addicted to the game and need help.

[cidbahamut]

Bad game design means I have an addiction. Right, because that makes sense.

[Arcon]

Considering this 'immoral' playstyle directly affects my gaming experience I have every right to decry cheaters.

How?

I'll say again, the very last post by the reps has confirmed spellcast users are cheating, so there's no use denying it. You are not entitled to automation.

The Windower team has confirmed it years ago. That's why they have a huge disclaimer saying just that. No one is arguing it isn't cheating. Who exactly are you arguing against?

It's not that people need to make excuses to use cheats. People who are cheating know they are doing so and choose still to do it.

[Jackstin]

In my last linkshell I was pressured into using windower to the point where I left the LS (albeit amicably), in my current LS it hasn't been asked of me because I do well without it, however when I was new to the LS it was said that really to be an effective white mage you need to use spellcast and they'd prefer it if I did. I've also witnessed many conversations not revolving me where people have mocked WHM who don't use windower. This is how it affects me. People allowing cheating to become the norm so that people who don't cheat are marginalised. The same frustration is true of other windower plugin features such as botting and claim assisting.

It is true that this argument has come from nowhere, and I'm sorry for that, it's the main thing that irritates me about this game. However I think I'm rigt in saying that in this read, whilst my comments may come across as inflammatory to those who use spellcast, I am primarily responding to people who don't consider it cheating. As you said these people are wrong, but maybe I shouldn't have made such a big deal about it in a thread not really about spellcast. However if anyone else claims spellcast isn't cheating, of course I will counter.

[cidbahamut]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it was less about WHMs needing to use windower and more about people who needed to stop half-assing their gear-swapping. You can gearswap like a mofo with the vanilla client, it's just that it's a huge pain in the ass.

[Dragoy]

DRag... you eve ran a DOS pc? There are infact limits to what a pc can read digitaly.... Macros work the same from mud to mmo spaning from 1990s till now, no matter the game the macro systym is generally the same. Meaning 1 action per line. anymore and there can be confliction. Also if anyone read the interview SE has to really scrape space to give us a 5th expac.

Indeed I have. The Commodore 64 (<3 sometimes still I set it up and go back in time since I have like 5 functioning ones) before that, and even the Dragon 32!

But it's really not here nor there, and all this is getting very irrelevant so I'll leave it at that. :]

If moving from a 5-hit to a 4-hit effectively increases your WS frequency (and thus net WS damage) by 33%, you have to wonder if it's even worth swapping gear for WSs on the vanilla client in high Haste situations. If you automate the swaps, it's entirely repeatable and you can be sure that your gear switches back to TP before the WS delay ends.

Only ever using the 'vanilla', after getting my Samurai to a 4-hit situation and even without regain or capped haste from gear, due to double attack and/or triple attack I've been in situations where I simply wont bother. Partially because I'm lazy, and it only really affects me since I play alone or with a friend or few, who don't mind, and because often the macro-system trips on itself and simply doesn't change even one piece of equipment, or sometimes just parts of the macro is not executed, which I find weird when I'm not interrupting it with another macro or anything...

In short: It sucks.

[Jackstin]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it was less about WHMs needing to use windower and more about people who needed to stop half-assing their gear-swapping. You can gearswap like a mofo with the vanilla client, it's just that it's a huge pain in the ass.

It's not just a huge pain in the ass, it costs valuable seconds needed for whm. I tend to have all my gear swaps on the right bumper, so that no matter which book I am on I can access my gear swaps easily. But there's no denying that people who can just select one macro and automatically change whole sets, sometimes multiple times per spell, have a huge advantage. That very RDM video, and the fact that many people have admitted the inpracticality of vanilla for intense gear swapping proves how much of an advantage it is.

[cidbahamut]

So bitch up a storm for SE to make the vanilla client compete with spellcast.