[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

[Jackstin]

I think limiting the number lf equips you can change is good. It adds an element of choice and strategy, instead of just getting the best equipment and everyone being identical due to OCD.

The problem is more that SE don't care about people who use third party programs. It puts the rest of the playerbase at a disadvantage.

Either SE needs to allow full gear swaps, or they need to be tougher on 3rd party tools. To be bonest, I'd rather see the second option.

[tyrantsyn]

Hey guys,

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

Due to the aforementioned reasons, we do not plan to expand macros and we appreciate your understanding.

Okay than, can you up the amount of line's than?

[Jerbob]

The arguments against third party applications seem to boil down to the fact that they are not fair. They confer significant advantages that not everyone wants to, or is able to make use of. That is indisputible. Whether that's okay or not seems to be open to interpretation. I would personally say that it is not okay.

[Zerich]

The arguments against third party applications seem to boil down to the fact that they are not fair. They confer significant advantages that not everyone wants to, or is able to make use of. That is indisputible. Whether that's okay or not seems to be open to interpretation. I would personally say that it is not okay.

how are they not fair? the average household in the countries that this game supports, generally has access to a personal computer. use half a brain cell with google, and you'll realize the notion of "unfair" boils down to "stubborn".

[FrankReynolds]

I think limiting the number lf equips you can change is good. It adds an element of choice and strategy, instead of just getting the best equipment and everyone being identical due to OCD.

The problem is more that SE don't care about people who use third party programs. It puts the rest of the playerbase at a disadvantage.

Either SE needs to allow full gear swaps, or they need to be tougher on 3rd party tools. To be bonest, I'd rather see the second option.

I looked in the fridge today and saw that there was a carton of eggs, a pack of bacon and some bread. I decided that I was going to make scrambled eggs, bacon and toast for breakfast.

My girlfriend said "You can't have scrambled eggs toast and bacon. You can only have one of those things. I'm throwing the rest out. Sorry that you bought them. But look, I gave you a choice. Isn't that fun?"

I said "But why would you only want one thing for breakfast when you could have three?"

She said "it has always been my intention to never dirty more than one pan when making breakfast"

I said "fine,I will cook the bacon and the eggs and toast in the same pan."

She stared blankly and then threw my eggs and bacon in the trash, so I threw her out of my house. As she was walking to her car, some guy proceeded to tell me how mean I was and that being mean to her wouldn't make her change her mind. My neighbors all said in unison "Who the hell are you? Mind your own business."

[cidbahamut]

Variety through malnutrition!

Huzzah!

[FrankReynolds]

Variety through malnutrition!

Huzzah!

She wasn't taking away my bacon and eggs. She was giving me a choice so that my breakfast would be more fun.

[Jerbob]

how are they not fair? the average household in the countries that this game supports, generally has access to a personal computer. use half a brain cell with google, and you'll realize the notion of "unfair" boils down to "stubborn".

I can see your argument but I think it's necessary to be practical about this. A large number of people use FFXI on a platform that does not support third party applications. Another group of people do not use third party applications because they are in violation of the terms of service or because they object to there being differences in the level of gameplay provided by different platforms. This will not change. Of course I agree that people can swap to using a PC or ignore the terms of service, but they should not have to, nor should their choice be considered a bad one so that people can justify using these programs.

The concept of "fairness" is pretty nebulous at the best of times but I think that it's pretty hard to claim that a third party/non-third party comparison isn't objectively unfair. It may or may not be stubbornness that causes people to use consoles or refuse to use third party programs, but that's kind of irrelevant for as long as consoles are supported platforms and those programs remain in violation of the terms of service.

[Westyle]

Hey guys,

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

Due to the aforementioned reasons, we do not plan to expand macros and we appreciate your understanding.

Calling up an equipment set is considered "automation?" I don't see how anything can be exploited by people quickly switching armor. I see this as a well overdue and needed change.

Right now I have to switch between two separate lines of macros to be efficient at my job, and even then I'm still missing some things I need. And hitting more than 1 macro to do an ability? That just doesn't happen.
I had two macros set up for Sneak Attack once, one for 6 pieces of equipment and one with 5 pieces + Sneak Attack. This also meant I needed 2 macros to switch back to TP gear. What happened? The first macro would get the shaft because I'd either forget or need to quickly use Sneak Attack and hit it's macro out of need or reflex.

Macros are already stored client side anyway, so what's the issue with expansion?

[Rosina]

@ cid, zerich and frank

you guys need to stop being trolls and start acting a bit more decently. Just because people do not agree with you, doesn't make them trolls. Just because people play differently then you, don't mean they suck.

Gear swap though helpful isn't really manditory. I solo some abby NM w/o gear swaping and one. I tanked some IT mobs solo and never died. (@ 75 cap) All gear swap does is just increase output making fights a tad easier.

But really all you guys are doing is hurting your suggestion by insulting anyone who disagrees. I pretty much did try to warn you this maybe the responce you will get. All macros are, are basic scripting.

If anyone played an MUD is the basic way people those. You do a series of slash commands and just type in the trigger for each command. But each aspect of the command needs to be on a seperate line unless its like a sub command much like <wait#>. And as far as I know gear coomands may not beable to be used through sub commands do to the nature it.