[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

[wish12oz]

in my current LS

So why do you join these linkshells? And more, why do you stay in such LS's after you join? I noticed you only refer to one of these two LS's as a former LS.

Considering this 'immoral' playstyle directly affects my gaming experience I have every right to decry cheaters.

If you hate them, why do you play with them?

Hypocrisy is awesome, but seriously, I know the answer to how they affect your gameplay. They are directly contributing to building your character, that is how they directly affect your gameplay. Before you come here and cry cheater and try to pull a holier than thou attitude, maybe you should look at the things you're doing first and set your own house in order. Im not saying I have a problem with windower or spellcast or anything else, the only cheats I have a problem with are ones that directly negatively impact my ability to play the game. Other people DAT swapping lamps, or flee hacking for no reason, or removing collision detection, or switching 50 pieces of gear with one macro does not impact me, so I don't care. The only 'bad' cheats are things that directly give you power over another persons ability to play the game, like claim bots. Complaining about anything else is a waste of time, unless your complaints are to SE to add this stuff into the actual game.

[Jackstin]

So bitch up a storm for SE to make the vanilla client compete with spellcast.

Why? Their last reply in this thread says that they do not support that level of automation. You seem to be confused. SE haven't failed to deliver a client that meets your specifications, they have set the rules and you have decided to cheat. Simple as.

Now I know there are some serious UI issues, but breaking the core rules of the game is not UI. It is thinking you are above the the creators vision.

Edit: To wish, I play with them because they are everywhere. And to your other point, you are another person who feels entitled to full gear swaps and spellcast because you feel they should be part of the game. Why? The creators have said that they don 't want that level of automation in the game. It requies no skill to just copy an xml file and press one button to execute a full gear swap and anything you need to cast a spell. What's so great about that? Sounds like you're making it easier and taking away the skill.

[wish12oz]

Why? Their last reply in this thread says that they do not support that level of automation. You seem to be confused. SE haven't failed to deliver a client that meets your specifications, they have set the rules and you have decided to cheat. Simple as.

Now I know there are some serious UI issues, but breaking the core rules of the game is not UI. It is thinking you are above the the creators vision.

So you're better than everyone else because you dont use windower macros or spellcast, but your entire LS does, and you benefit from that. In my opinion you're worse than cheaters, you're knowingly profiting off them and putting nothing at risk while badmouthing them and condemning them behind their backs like a coward.

Edit: To wish, I play with them because they are everywhere.

Thats a lousy excuse, if you really cared you wouldnt play with them.

And to your other point, you are another person who feels entitled to full gear swaps and spellcast because you feel they should be part of the game. Why?

I'm not actually a fan of spellcast, but I do think it's retarded to add so much situational gear and not allow for 16 gear swaps and 1 action in a single macro.

The creators have said that they don 't want that level of automation in the game. It requies no skill to just copy an xml file and press one button to execute a full gear swap and anything you need to cast a spell. What's so great about that? Sounds like you're making it easier and taking away the skill.

Pressing 5 macros instead of one isnt exactly skill. And I don't really care what the creators have said, they made their decision and say its cheating to do it, so therefor it's cheating. That doesnt change the fact that it's retarded, and people with common sense should try and get them to change their minds. And again, I dont use spellcast, and if I did, I would make my own XMLs as my gear is definitely going to be different than any XML I could find somewhere to download. The skill with spellcast comes with the ability to learn XML and program all your gear swaps correctly.

[cidbahamut]

Why? Their last reply in this thread says that they do not support that level of automation. You seem to be confused. SE haven't failed to deliver a client that meets your specifications, they have set the rules and you have decided to cheat. Simple as.

Now I know there are some serious UI issues, but breaking the core rules of the game is not UI. It is thinking you are above the the creators vision.

You seem to be laboring under the mistaken notion that SE is in the right here.
Hint: they aren't, they're just bad at game design.

Edit: To wish, I play with them because they are everywhere. And to your other point, you are another person who feels entitled to full gear swaps and spellcast because you feel they should be part of the game. Why? The creators have said that they don 't want that level of automation in the game. It requies no skill to just copy an xml file and press one button to execute a full gear swap and anything you need to cast a spell. What's so great about that? Sounds like you're making it easier and taking away the skill.

Build your own xml. Ta-da, now it requires skill again.

Seriously though, why are you defending bad game design so fiercely? Bad game design is something to be corrected, not accepted and then defended to the death the way you're doing.

[Jackstin]

So you're better than everyone else because you dont use windower macros or spellcast, but your entire LS does, and you benefit from that. In my opinion you're worse than cheaters, you're profiting off them and putting nothing at risk.



Thats a lousy excuse, if you really cared you wouldnt play with them.



I'm not actually a fan of spellcast, but I do think it's retarded to add so much situational gear and not allow for 16 gear swaps and 1 action in a single macro.

I don't think you realise how widespread spellcast is. I do not stay in an LS because they all use spellcast so I can profit from it. That is a stupid thing to say. I stay in an LS where people use spellcast because it is unavoidable. It is not a lousy excuse, and you're getting to borderline offensive, and certainly wilfully obtuse now.

There is a lot of situational gear, and I would support more macro slots so that people can make use of it. However I'm not going to support people who are cheaters in a game where everyone is either helping each other, or competing. If you're using spellcast you are a cheater, if you are happy with that, then good for you, but don't expect people who play the game properly to be happy about it.

@Cid. That statement pretty much proves me saying that those who use spellcast think they are above the game creators. You are right this game has some serious issues, this is why people run to windower in the first place. But automation doesn't promote skill, it just promotes efficiency. Just like botting. Why would you defend poor game design?

[wish12oz]

I don't think you realise how widespread spellcast is. I do not stay in an LS because they all use spellcast so I can profit from it. That is a stupid thing to say. I stay in an LS where people use spellcast because it is unavoidable. It is not a lousy excuse,

It is not unavoidable, I have seen tons of super anti hacking LS's, and if one doesnt exist you can make it.

and you're getting to borderline offensive, and certainly wilfully obtuse now.

Does my comment strike a nerve? perhaps it's because it's true. You're knowingly being aided by people who 'cheat' and building your character off them, while putting nothing at risk yourself and badmouthing them behind their backs. What about this statement am I wrong about? Your acts disgust me, if you were in my LS I would kick you.

There is a lot of situational gear, and I would support more macro slots so that people can make use of it. However I'm not going to support people who are cheaters in a game where everyone is either helping each other, or competing. If you're using spellcast you are a cheater, if you are happy with that, then good for you, but don't expect people who play the game properly to be happy about it.

Your words would hold more weight if you walked the walk as well as talking the talk, why don't you leave that 'awful cheater filled LS' you're in and show everyone that your superior morals are not just for show. I know you won't ever do it, because you like that they make your character better, but it just makes you a hypocrite.

[cidbahamut]

Most players know a hell of a lot more about what this game needs than the devs do. That's nothing new and it's certainly not isolated to just this game, it's true in any multitude of games. The good devs will draw on their playerbase's knowledge and insight, while others choose to ignore it and charge ahead making poor decisions.

Again: why are you defending bad game design?

[Jackstin]

The implication you are making is that I am intentionally benefitting from a spellcast using LS. I know this isn't true, you know this isn't true, and more importantly it is an obvious attempt to distract from the issue.

How is feebly attempting to discredit me personally, anything to do with the argument I have laid down. If you disagree with what I am saying then please do counter. You have failed to do this, instead presenting a common fallacy. It is poor argument technique, and suggests you have nothing to contribute to the actual debate.

In direct response to your claims, the people in my LS are friends. Despite them using spellcast I still want to play with them because it is fun, although I do let them know what I think of windower.

@Cid you haven't responded to what I said. Spellcast is automation which does not promote skill. Why is SE opposing soft botting bad game design?

[cidbahamut]

@Cid you haven't responded to what I said. Spellcast is automation which does not promote skill. Why is SE opposing soft botting bad game design?

Because they have failed to provide adequate tools to make use of a game mechanic. The gear they introduce is tailor made to such a game mechanic as well as to the specific tool that the userbase created for themselves in the absence of a legitimate first-party tool. It's not about automation, it's about providing the correct in-game tools to interface with the rest of the content.
You don't build Super Mario World and then not give the player a jump button. It's the same principle at work here, even if my analogy is horribly strained.

[wish12oz]

The implication you are making is that I am intentionally benefitting from a spellcast using LS. I know this isn't true, you know this isn't true, and more importantly it is an obvious attempt to distract from the issue.

How is feebly attempting to discredit me personally, anything to do with the argument I have laid down. If you disagree with what I am saying then please do counter. You have failed to do this, instead presenting a common fallacy. It is poor argument technique, and suggests you have nothing to contribute to the actual debate.

In direct response to your claims, the people in my LS are friends. Despite them using spellcast I still want to play with them because it is fun, although I do let them know what I think of windower.

Spellcast and windower macros are cheating, as the DEVs say they are cheating, there is no arguing this. I am simply pointing out that you're a hypocrite and should not be taken seriously. And unless you never lot anything, you are knowingly benefiting from a bunch of 'cheaters' as you call them, while not putting your own account at risk and then badmouthing them here. I find this act appalling and you should be ashamed of yourself.