[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

[FrankReynolds]

Yeah, I don't think people will ever get rid of spellcast once they have it. Could you imagine having to rewrite full macros for like 10-15 jobs? That server side macro storage has saved my ass a few times when I've installed ona new computer, but it won't convert from spellcast.

[Jackstin]

@Nala

Surely you can use the enhance cursna items with in game macros. I know I do.

But yeah far too much situational stuff. Not that it excuses resorting to spellcast, but it makes it more understandable. After all, people even use cheats in games like GTA which are on the whole very well designed.

[Nala]

GTA has the cheats designed into the game, further more it is a single player game so cheats really only effect you.

Either way you want to slice it the game is currently designed around players who play most efficiently, your whole track on not fully utilizing gear for where it actually enhances your actions sounds nearly rosina like, mind you the points you make are actually coherent.

[Jackstin]

I actually withdrew my point on limiting gear swaps, based on a video which showed people doing full gear swaps using the in-game system, just made inconvenient by the UI. That's one thing.

Using spellcast to change several full gear swaps in one cast however is very definitely cheating. It is so far beyond what the developers intended ot is unreal.

I'll reiterate a point I made before, because I think it relates to your point. Roleplaying games are games where you are given freedom, but have to abide by a set of core rules. FF11 is supposed to be played best by people who are as efficient as possible, so long as they abide by the core rules. If you are not abiding by the core rules then you are cheating, and your efficiency is irrelevant.

I can sort of accept that people using windower aren't cheating because it is not the gameplay mechanics they are working around, just the poor UI. However, spellcast automates in a way that in this very thread has been re-affirmed by the reps to be against the games core ruleset.

[cidbahamut]

[Nala]

Umm must have not watched that video close enough, about the only 1up that spell cast can give is making day/weather condition weather no brainers aka fires day casting fire spells puts on fire obi vs having 2 diffrent macros per spell for casting in your non obi/and obi.

Know all that crazy gear swaping that rdm was doing? he was using precast mid cast ect gear, people dedicated enough to using the in game macro system can still swap out the same amount of gear, however as i said before due to the macro size limit it invites a much much much greater potential for human error.

Spell cast doesn't automate anything by itself, it still requires your input to do what it does, all it does is eliminate the human error factor of making complex swaps for say precast midcast ect. and consolidates what would be 3 6 9 or 12 macros into 1. there are ways to use spell cast to fully automate but that requires another plugin on top of it.

As i said before i still use the same style macros as that RDM myself, I can teach you how to apply the /macro set x command to execute macros in the same manner if you'd like even.

[Iakothm]

Umm must have not watched that video close enough, about the only 1up that spell cast can give is making day/weather condition weather no brainers aka fires day casting fire spells puts on fire obi vs having 2 diffrent macros per spell for casting in your non obi/and obi.

Know all that crazy gear swaping that rdm was doing? he was using precast mid cast ect gear, people dedicated enough to using the in game macro system can still swap out the same amount of gear, however as i said before due to the macro size limit it invites a much much much greater potential for human error.

Spell cast doesn't automate anything by itself, it still requires your input to do what it does, all it does is eliminate the human error factor of making complex swaps for say precast midcast ect. and consolidates what would be 3 6 9 or 12 macros into 1. there are ways to use spell cast to fully automate but that requires another plugin on top of it.

As i said before i still use the same style macros as that RDM myself, I can teach you how to apply the /macro set x command to execute macros in the same manner if you'd like even.

Spellcast can too take the human completely out of the picture and work like a bot. You know those people standing around for hours skilling up their summon/healing magic? yeah most of those people are using spellcast.

[Zerich]

It's cool if you want to be moral.
It's not cool if you want to impose your morals on others.
Apply this to the White Knight fest, that is this thread, and move on.

[Jackstin]

It's cool if you want to be moral.
It's not cool if you want to impose your morals on others.
Apply this to the White Knight fest, that is this thread, and move on.

Considering this 'immoral' playstyle directly affects my gaming experience I have every right to decry cheaters.

The argument that you are programming the bots yourself so it isn't automated is so flawed. An auto pilot is designed, gambits were designed, anything automated is designed, that does not mean they are not automated.

If spellcast means you can do in one click what should take 6 9 or whatever, and carefully timed at that, then the intention of the game is for you to take the second more difficult option, as spellcast is removing any skill. If you yourself are unable to play the game effectively, then you have to recognise your limits and skill level. Not just get a computer program to do it for you.

I'll say again, the very last post by the reps has confirmed spellcast users are cheating, so there's no use denying it. You are not entitled to automation.

[cidbahamut]

If spellcast means you can do in one click what should take 6 9 or whatever, and carefully timed at that, then the intention of the game is for you to take the second more difficult option, as spellcast is removing any skill. If you yourself are unable to play the game effectively, then you have to recognise your limits and skill level. Not just get a computer program to do it for you.

I'll say again, the very last post by the reps has confirmed spellcast users are cheating, so there's no use denying it. You are not entitled to automation.

So you advocate inflicting repetitive stress injuries on players. Got it.