[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

[cidbahamut]

Most players know a hell of a lot more about what this game needs than the devs do. That's nothing new and it's certainly not isolated to just this game, it's true in any multitude of games. The good devs will draw on their playerbase's knowledge and insight, while others choose to ignore it and charge ahead making poor decisions.

Again: why are you defending bad game design?

[Jackstin]

The implication you are making is that I am intentionally benefitting from a spellcast using LS. I know this isn't true, you know this isn't true, and more importantly it is an obvious attempt to distract from the issue.

How is feebly attempting to discredit me personally, anything to do with the argument I have laid down. If you disagree with what I am saying then please do counter. You have failed to do this, instead presenting a common fallacy. It is poor argument technique, and suggests you have nothing to contribute to the actual debate.

In direct response to your claims, the people in my LS are friends. Despite them using spellcast I still want to play with them because it is fun, although I do let them know what I think of windower.

@Cid you haven't responded to what I said. Spellcast is automation which does not promote skill. Why is SE opposing soft botting bad game design?

[cidbahamut]

@Cid you haven't responded to what I said. Spellcast is automation which does not promote skill. Why is SE opposing soft botting bad game design?

Because they have failed to provide adequate tools to make use of a game mechanic. The gear they introduce is tailor made to such a game mechanic as well as to the specific tool that the userbase created for themselves in the absence of a legitimate first-party tool. It's not about automation, it's about providing the correct in-game tools to interface with the rest of the content.
You don't build Super Mario World and then not give the player a jump button. It's the same principle at work here, even if my analogy is horribly strained.

[wish12oz]

The implication you are making is that I am intentionally benefitting from a spellcast using LS. I know this isn't true, you know this isn't true, and more importantly it is an obvious attempt to distract from the issue.

How is feebly attempting to discredit me personally, anything to do with the argument I have laid down. If you disagree with what I am saying then please do counter. You have failed to do this, instead presenting a common fallacy. It is poor argument technique, and suggests you have nothing to contribute to the actual debate.

In direct response to your claims, the people in my LS are friends. Despite them using spellcast I still want to play with them because it is fun, although I do let them know what I think of windower.

Spellcast and windower macros are cheating, as the DEVs say they are cheating, there is no arguing this. I am simply pointing out that you're a hypocrite and should not be taken seriously. And unless you never lot anything, you are knowingly benefiting from a bunch of 'cheaters' as you call them, while not putting your own account at risk and then badmouthing them here. I find this act appalling and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Jackstin]

Spellcast and windower macros are cheating, as the DEVs say they are cheating, there is no arguing this. I am simply pointing out that you're a hypocrite and should not be taken seriously. And unless you never lot anything, you are knowingly benefiting from a bunch of 'cheaters' as you call them, while not putting your own account at risk and then badmouthing them here. I find this act appalling and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Ask yourself this. Why are you attacking me? If you have no issue with what I am saying then making things personal is outrageous. Even if you question the manner in which I have put forward my argument, which I could understand, resorting to a personal attack is a horrible thing to do.

I also don't think it is outrageous to be part of an LS with friends who use spellcast when I am against it. As it happens I have accomplished nearly everything I want in game, and as a result I really do very rarely lot anything. Not to say that has never happened, but what you are saying I should do, to avoid hypocrisy is either leave the LS with my friends, or stay in the LS but refuse to earn anything whilst playing the game. That would be like asking someone who is against torture, to never use roads, hospitals, or get a job in the US, simply because the Us government (and many others) routinely tortures people. Are you against torture?

EDIT: Sorry for not responding to your post Cid, I wad focusing more on the person who was personally attacking me. Give me a minute and I'll respond tomyour point.

[FrankReynolds]

Crack dealers are scumbags. I don't sell crack, but all my friends sell crack. No banks were around, so I got the money to buy a house from my crack dealer friends. It was unavoidable, because I had to have a house. I'm totally not a hypocrite.

See how silly this sounds? Now lets get back to talking about how we can fix the problem through the legit client and stop focusing on what we think about third party tools. If we get things changed, everybody wins.

[Jackstin]

Crack dealers are scumbags. I don't sell crack, but all my friends sell crack. No banks were around, so I got the money to buy a house from my crack dealer friends. It was unavoidable, because I had to have a house. I'm totally not a hypocrite.

I think that is vastly exaggerating how much I benefit from my crack dealer friends. A better analogy would be, all my friends are crack dealers, I tell them crack is wrong but I still hang our with them because they are my friends. If I drive them somewhere they give me petrol money.

EDIT: and I am still appauled that people have the resorted to personal attacks instead of attacking the argument they disagree with.

[FrankReynolds]

I think that is vastly exaggerating how much I benefit from my crack dealer friends. A better analogy would be, all my friends are crack dealers, I tell them crack is wrong but I still hang our with them because they are my friends. If I drive them somewhere they give me petrol money.

So your still benefiting from crack sales, when you should be making new friends and putting in more time at the office.

[wish12oz]

all my friends are crack dealers, I tell them crack is wrong but I still hang our with them because they are my friends. When I drive them to sell crack they give me petrol money and a little extra, and this occurs everyday for several hours

This is what your argument looks like to me. Sure, selling crack is bad, and people who do it are scum, but when you hang out with them, and help them do it, and benefit from their selling of crack, you're just as guilty as they are. Thats why people who drive the getaway car and dont help commit the crime are still charged with the crime. Now get off your high horse, you're nothing special and have no right to lecture anyone about morals or call them bad for cheating like you have been.

So your still benefiting from crack sales, when you should be making new friends and putting in more time at the office.

This sums it up nicely.

[Jackstin]

This is what your argument looks like to me. Sure, selling crack is bad, and people who do it are scum, but when you hang out with them, and help them do it, and benefit from their selling of crack, you're just as guilty as they are. Thats why people who drive the getaway car and dont help commit the crime are still charged with the crime. Now get off your high horse, you're nothing special and have no right to lecture anyone about morals or call them bad for cheating like you have been.



This sums it up nicely.

And again! You are saying you agreenwith my sentiments, but insist on attacking me personally? Why? Reported.

And now I know how ignored. By ALL means disagree with me. But just because you are anonymous on the internet does not give you license to come after me personally. I am not a hypocrite, but if I was the biggest hypocrite in the world it would be nothing to do with you, or to do with my argument. At first I thought you were just trying to use a fallacy to distract from the argument, but as it turns out you agreed and just wanted to be spiteful.