[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

[Valonquar]

Well, they are slowly making things like this a LOT less necessary. Skillups are WAY easier than they used to be. You CAN be super minmaxing your gearswaps to squeeze out more damage or efficiency on things, but honestly... there's not a lot out there in the game that really NEEDS it vs just making things somewhat easier or less hassle.

It will be interesting to see how much the future UI changes will break stuff for the people that use the 3rd party junk. I've never bothered, mostly out of laziness.

[cidbahamut]

Bad game design means I have an addiction. Right, because that makes sense.

[cidbahamut]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it was less about WHMs needing to use windower and more about people who needed to stop half-assing their gear-swapping. You can gearswap like a mofo with the vanilla client, it's just that it's a huge pain in the ass.

[Jackstin]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it was less about WHMs needing to use windower and more about people who needed to stop half-assing their gear-swapping. You can gearswap like a mofo with the vanilla client, it's just that it's a huge pain in the ass.

It's not just a huge pain in the ass, it costs valuable seconds needed for whm. I tend to have all my gear swaps on the right bumper, so that no matter which book I am on I can access my gear swaps easily. But there's no denying that people who can just select one macro and automatically change whole sets, sometimes multiple times per spell, have a huge advantage. That very RDM video, and the fact that many people have admitted the inpracticality of vanilla for intense gear swapping proves how much of an advantage it is.

[cidbahamut]

So bitch up a storm for SE to make the vanilla client compete with spellcast.

[Jackstin]

So bitch up a storm for SE to make the vanilla client compete with spellcast.

Why? Their last reply in this thread says that they do not support that level of automation. You seem to be confused. SE haven't failed to deliver a client that meets your specifications, they have set the rules and you have decided to cheat. Simple as.

Now I know there are some serious UI issues, but breaking the core rules of the game is not UI. It is thinking you are above the the creators vision.

Edit: To wish, I play with them because they are everywhere. And to your other point, you are another person who feels entitled to full gear swaps and spellcast because you feel they should be part of the game. Why? The creators have said that they don 't want that level of automation in the game. It requies no skill to just copy an xml file and press one button to execute a full gear swap and anything you need to cast a spell. What's so great about that? Sounds like you're making it easier and taking away the skill.

[wish12oz]

Why? Their last reply in this thread says that they do not support that level of automation. You seem to be confused. SE haven't failed to deliver a client that meets your specifications, they have set the rules and you have decided to cheat. Simple as.

Now I know there are some serious UI issues, but breaking the core rules of the game is not UI. It is thinking you are above the the creators vision.

So you're better than everyone else because you dont use windower macros or spellcast, but your entire LS does, and you benefit from that. In my opinion you're worse than cheaters, you're knowingly profiting off them and putting nothing at risk while badmouthing them and condemning them behind their backs like a coward.

Edit: To wish, I play with them because they are everywhere.

Thats a lousy excuse, if you really cared you wouldnt play with them.

And to your other point, you are another person who feels entitled to full gear swaps and spellcast because you feel they should be part of the game. Why?

I'm not actually a fan of spellcast, but I do think it's retarded to add so much situational gear and not allow for 16 gear swaps and 1 action in a single macro.

The creators have said that they don 't want that level of automation in the game. It requies no skill to just copy an xml file and press one button to execute a full gear swap and anything you need to cast a spell. What's so great about that? Sounds like you're making it easier and taking away the skill.

Pressing 5 macros instead of one isnt exactly skill. And I don't really care what the creators have said, they made their decision and say its cheating to do it, so therefor it's cheating. That doesnt change the fact that it's retarded, and people with common sense should try and get them to change their minds. And again, I dont use spellcast, and if I did, I would make my own XMLs as my gear is definitely going to be different than any XML I could find somewhere to download. The skill with spellcast comes with the ability to learn XML and program all your gear swaps correctly.

[Jackstin]

So you're better than everyone else because you dont use windower macros or spellcast, but your entire LS does, and you benefit from that. In my opinion you're worse than cheaters, you're profiting off them and putting nothing at risk.



Thats a lousy excuse, if you really cared you wouldnt play with them.



I'm not actually a fan of spellcast, but I do think it's retarded to add so much situational gear and not allow for 16 gear swaps and 1 action in a single macro.

I don't think you realise how widespread spellcast is. I do not stay in an LS because they all use spellcast so I can profit from it. That is a stupid thing to say. I stay in an LS where people use spellcast because it is unavoidable. It is not a lousy excuse, and you're getting to borderline offensive, and certainly wilfully obtuse now.

There is a lot of situational gear, and I would support more macro slots so that people can make use of it. However I'm not going to support people who are cheaters in a game where everyone is either helping each other, or competing. If you're using spellcast you are a cheater, if you are happy with that, then good for you, but don't expect people who play the game properly to be happy about it.

@Cid. That statement pretty much proves me saying that those who use spellcast think they are above the game creators. You are right this game has some serious issues, this is why people run to windower in the first place. But automation doesn't promote skill, it just promotes efficiency. Just like botting. Why would you defend poor game design?

[wish12oz]

I don't think you realise how widespread spellcast is. I do not stay in an LS because they all use spellcast so I can profit from it. That is a stupid thing to say. I stay in an LS where people use spellcast because it is unavoidable. It is not a lousy excuse,

It is not unavoidable, I have seen tons of super anti hacking LS's, and if one doesnt exist you can make it.

and you're getting to borderline offensive, and certainly wilfully obtuse now.

Does my comment strike a nerve? perhaps it's because it's true. You're knowingly being aided by people who 'cheat' and building your character off them, while putting nothing at risk yourself and badmouthing them behind their backs. What about this statement am I wrong about? Your acts disgust me, if you were in my LS I would kick you.

There is a lot of situational gear, and I would support more macro slots so that people can make use of it. However I'm not going to support people who are cheaters in a game where everyone is either helping each other, or competing. If you're using spellcast you are a cheater, if you are happy with that, then good for you, but don't expect people who play the game properly to be happy about it.

Your words would hold more weight if you walked the walk as well as talking the talk, why don't you leave that 'awful cheater filled LS' you're in and show everyone that your superior morals are not just for show. I know you won't ever do it, because you like that they make your character better, but it just makes you a hypocrite.

[cidbahamut]

Why? Their last reply in this thread says that they do not support that level of automation. You seem to be confused. SE haven't failed to deliver a client that meets your specifications, they have set the rules and you have decided to cheat. Simple as.

Now I know there are some serious UI issues, but breaking the core rules of the game is not UI. It is thinking you are above the the creators vision.

You seem to be laboring under the mistaken notion that SE is in the right here.
Hint: they aren't, they're just bad at game design.

Edit: To wish, I play with them because they are everywhere. And to your other point, you are another person who feels entitled to full gear swaps and spellcast because you feel they should be part of the game. Why? The creators have said that they don 't want that level of automation in the game. It requies no skill to just copy an xml file and press one button to execute a full gear swap and anything you need to cast a spell. What's so great about that? Sounds like you're making it easier and taking away the skill.

Build your own xml. Ta-da, now it requires skill again.

Seriously though, why are you defending bad game design so fiercely? Bad game design is something to be corrected, not accepted and then defended to the death the way you're doing.