[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

[Nala]

Umm must have not watched that video close enough, about the only 1up that spell cast can give is making day/weather condition weather no brainers aka fires day casting fire spells puts on fire obi vs having 2 diffrent macros per spell for casting in your non obi/and obi.

Know all that crazy gear swaping that rdm was doing? he was using precast mid cast ect gear, people dedicated enough to using the in game macro system can still swap out the same amount of gear, however as i said before due to the macro size limit it invites a much much much greater potential for human error.

Spell cast doesn't automate anything by itself, it still requires your input to do what it does, all it does is eliminate the human error factor of making complex swaps for say precast midcast ect. and consolidates what would be 3 6 9 or 12 macros into 1. there are ways to use spell cast to fully automate but that requires another plugin on top of it.

As i said before i still use the same style macros as that RDM myself, I can teach you how to apply the /macro set x command to execute macros in the same manner if you'd like even.

[Iakothm]

Umm must have not watched that video close enough, about the only 1up that spell cast can give is making day/weather condition weather no brainers aka fires day casting fire spells puts on fire obi vs having 2 diffrent macros per spell for casting in your non obi/and obi.

Know all that crazy gear swaping that rdm was doing? he was using precast mid cast ect gear, people dedicated enough to using the in game macro system can still swap out the same amount of gear, however as i said before due to the macro size limit it invites a much much much greater potential for human error.

Spell cast doesn't automate anything by itself, it still requires your input to do what it does, all it does is eliminate the human error factor of making complex swaps for say precast midcast ect. and consolidates what would be 3 6 9 or 12 macros into 1. there are ways to use spell cast to fully automate but that requires another plugin on top of it.

As i said before i still use the same style macros as that RDM myself, I can teach you how to apply the /macro set x command to execute macros in the same manner if you'd like even.

Spellcast can too take the human completely out of the picture and work like a bot. You know those people standing around for hours skilling up their summon/healing magic? yeah most of those people are using spellcast.

[Byrth]

Spellcast can too take the human completely out of the picture and work like a bot. You know those people standing around for hours skilling up their summon/healing magic? yeah most of those people are using spellcast.

They might be, but Spellcast does absolutely nothing to enable this. That's called a script, which is an inherent feature of windower.

[Zerich]

It's cool if you want to be moral.
It's not cool if you want to impose your morals on others.
Apply this to the White Knight fest, that is this thread, and move on.

[Jackstin]

It's cool if you want to be moral.
It's not cool if you want to impose your morals on others.
Apply this to the White Knight fest, that is this thread, and move on.

Considering this 'immoral' playstyle directly affects my gaming experience I have every right to decry cheaters.

The argument that you are programming the bots yourself so it isn't automated is so flawed. An auto pilot is designed, gambits were designed, anything automated is designed, that does not mean they are not automated.

If spellcast means you can do in one click what should take 6 9 or whatever, and carefully timed at that, then the intention of the game is for you to take the second more difficult option, as spellcast is removing any skill. If you yourself are unable to play the game effectively, then you have to recognise your limits and skill level. Not just get a computer program to do it for you.

I'll say again, the very last post by the reps has confirmed spellcast users are cheating, so there's no use denying it. You are not entitled to automation.

[cidbahamut]

If spellcast means you can do in one click what should take 6 9 or whatever, and carefully timed at that, then the intention of the game is for you to take the second more difficult option, as spellcast is removing any skill. If you yourself are unable to play the game effectively, then you have to recognise your limits and skill level. Not just get a computer program to do it for you.

I'll say again, the very last post by the reps has confirmed spellcast users are cheating, so there's no use denying it. You are not entitled to automation.

So you advocate inflicting repetitive stress injuries on players. Got it.

[Jackstin]

So you advocate inflicting repetitive stress injuries on players. Got it.

Try reading what I wrote. If it is too difficult, do not do it. If you are so obsessed with perfection that your only choice is to give yourself repetitive stress injuries, or cheat, then you are addicted to the game and need help.

[Arcon]

Considering this 'immoral' playstyle directly affects my gaming experience I have every right to decry cheaters.

How?

I'll say again, the very last post by the reps has confirmed spellcast users are cheating, so there's no use denying it. You are not entitled to automation.

The Windower team has confirmed it years ago. That's why they have a huge disclaimer saying just that. No one is arguing it isn't cheating. Who exactly are you arguing against?

It's not that people need to make excuses to use cheats. People who are cheating know they are doing so and choose still to do it.

[Jackstin]

In my last linkshell I was pressured into using windower to the point where I left the LS (albeit amicably), in my current LS it hasn't been asked of me because I do well without it, however when I was new to the LS it was said that really to be an effective white mage you need to use spellcast and they'd prefer it if I did. I've also witnessed many conversations not revolving me where people have mocked WHM who don't use windower. This is how it affects me. People allowing cheating to become the norm so that people who don't cheat are marginalised. The same frustration is true of other windower plugin features such as botting and claim assisting.

It is true that this argument has come from nowhere, and I'm sorry for that, it's the main thing that irritates me about this game. However I think I'm rigt in saying that in this read, whilst my comments may come across as inflammatory to those who use spellcast, I am primarily responding to people who don't consider it cheating. As you said these people are wrong, but maybe I shouldn't have made such a big deal about it in a thread not really about spellcast. However if anyone else claims spellcast isn't cheating, of course I will counter.

[wish12oz]

in my current LS

So why do you join these linkshells? And more, why do you stay in such LS's after you join? I noticed you only refer to one of these two LS's as a former LS.

Considering this 'immoral' playstyle directly affects my gaming experience I have every right to decry cheaters.

If you hate them, why do you play with them?

Hypocrisy is awesome, but seriously, I know the answer to how they affect your gameplay. They are directly contributing to building your character, that is how they directly affect your gameplay. Before you come here and cry cheater and try to pull a holier than thou attitude, maybe you should look at the things you're doing first and set your own house in order. Im not saying I have a problem with windower or spellcast or anything else, the only cheats I have a problem with are ones that directly negatively impact my ability to play the game. Other people DAT swapping lamps, or flee hacking for no reason, or removing collision detection, or switching 50 pieces of gear with one macro does not impact me, so I don't care. The only 'bad' cheats are things that directly give you power over another persons ability to play the game, like claim bots. Complaining about anything else is a waste of time, unless your complaints are to SE to add this stuff into the actual game.