please stop the moaning

[Linh]

Huge diffrence between leveling jobs and getting a relic.

I think a lot of relic holders will quit if the situation isn't resolved by 99.

I Can Has Your Relicz?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Huge diffrence between leveling jobs and getting a relic.

I think a lot of relic holders will quit if the situation isn't resolved by 99.

/ragequit because people got relics easier then you? Sad, but more relics for me.

[Glamdring]

um, mythic/relic is upgradable via trials to generally stay with the top-tier weapons as it is. Gjallerhorn looks freaking AWESOME if upgraded to 90, and the only thing that does look a bit seedy is aegis, which SE already knows and intends to partially correct (since they actually seem to intend 2 awesome shileds depending on situation). They also intend to make your Sky/Salvage and a few other things upgradeable, too. The forum has been up less than 2 weeks, the game is shutdown for the majority of that time, and the updates are rolled back... with a damn good reason! Give them a chance!

It's also a vague possibility that SE doesn't want people to walk around as if they are under a permanent primeval brew effect, something about balance. There is research-industrywide-that shows that people quickly lose interest in a game if it is too easy. Your gear was excellent at 75, and if you want it to stay awesome as it is you don't have to do the limit break quests. If you do want to advance past it then it is only fair that you continue to upgrade that gear to maintain it's awesomeness.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

DEVs please keep in mind that complainers are mearly the most vocal and do not for the most represent the views of the community at whole.

[Sarumansos]

My first comment on this subject regarding relics.

I obtained Aegis just days before the abyssea expansions were released..took years of farming and what not in order to make it that far and a great deal of help from alot of friends. I do believe that the effort put forth to obtain a relic should be rewarded by at least giving them options to be the best in the game via magian. An emp weapon obtained within a week or two should not outclass a relic by any means. I received the double slap by having pld become useless in abyssea. I do hope for a balance of jobs to be reborn as well as people who have worked for thier relics to be rewarded at least with chances for decent upgrades.

[MarkovChain]

Its the same with the relic weapons

No doing the level 20 smn fight in an extremely easy fight that is soloabe. Getting your subjobs items is harder. How can you compare this to a relic weapon ?

[Glamdring]

Atma of the Grinder: Synthetic Atma (2,000 cruor) Raises the stats of any stage 4 (and beyond since every one of them is upgradeable via trial to stage 7 currently) relic/mythic item by 15% while equipped.

Make it so.

Now, all those of you who have taken weeks or even longer to get your empyrean weapons through your 4000 kills on lightsday or 4000 WS or 100+ NM kills or the like feel free to voice your complaints at being told you haven't accomplished anything as the relic/mythic holders seem to imply.

[Lyall]

Worth noting, and I'm doing it here because I can't be assed to read the hundreds of posts to see if someone else made the point already, is that the difficulty of all of these weapons have declined greatly in the advent of player advancement, be it gear, atma, or raw level correction.

People who had finished level eighty Empyrean weapons at level eighty worked hard, and those fights DID take a pretty large party size. They got easier at eighty-five but by no means were the walk in the park they appear to be now.

Conversely, Dynamis currency is just laborious. Not difficult, just long. Dynamis now is a joke, and the only thing stopping relics from just being pumped out by the buckets is the time limit/entry period.

The important thing to note here is that time will remove most of the oomph of an accomplishment. Maat's Cap. CoP. HNMs. Relics. Difficulty and time-required are not interchangeable; by that logic no one would have a problem with Empyrean weapon being above par if it took five hundred Glavoid shells instead of fifty. I applaud SE for not making the new weapons take two years and the broken backs of linkshells to complete, because let's be honest: Most relics aren't the testament of devoted, hard-working players. They're the trophies of either extremely-tight lowman shells, trophies by the people who took advantage of their shell to get them to farm thousands of drops, or they're the trophies of people who sat on their gil from the huge inflation period that existed before I started playing.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

please stop the moaning

Isn't that in itself a complaint making the premis a contradiction?