please stop the moaning

[Chronofantasy]

Well, can't you beat all those lvl 20 avatars on your own in like a week or less? :/ I know a relic took many people a year or some more to obtain and it's a really tedious and expensive process. I know a lot of people get screwed in working hard towards things though everytime SE makes an adjustment to that particular thing and people will always complain about it while thinking it's unfair. I say it's best to be satisfied with your own self-achievements and know that you worked hard towards that particular gear, quest, mission, etc.that used to be a challenge. You as an individual will have more value over those things than others, but some things you can't hold on forever otherwise FFXI will never be able to improve and the game will lose all its players.

You can either whine and complain about how things used to be and how they should still remain or you can accept the changes and know that with these updates FFXI will still live on rather than stay the same and lose people from the game out of boredom. If the servers had to shutdown permanently one day because nothing in the game ever changes, then I'm sure some people who are left would really have something to cry over and those who left beforehand would cry over the game never changing and how things are getting boring.

Anyways~ Aside from all that, I posted one suggestion I had from one of the other relic-related topics. I'll post that here too:

Why not just allow there to be a NPC or quest involved to somehow merge the relic, mythic, and empyreal weapons together to combine the stats and maybe give a random augmented boost on the side? When doing this merging of the weapons though you have to specialize in the relic becoming a weapon only for one specific job though to do this. There should also be a cooldown period but after the cooldown period you can pry apart your merged weapons to make them individual again if you want to re-merge them or use them individually. With tweaked merged weapons and all combined WSs on one weapon that might solve everyone's issue of relic vs empyreal conflicts?

It's just an idea and might sound unbalanced, but I'm sure SE can figure out a way around that as well.

[Secondplanet]

the general idea i was trying to get across is that when a game makes a big change things from way before the time of the update have to be left behind or you stand a chance of destroying the game, if they make upgrades for relic weapons and then what will be next to appease the players? when will it stop?

No one will be happy by changing something from the past to better suit the present, Leave the relic's just as that relic's of their time.

[Miera]

It will never stop, you cannot please them all. Also it's only human to want more, apparently.

[Michaeluk]

Some people spent years farming the currency to get the weapons complete, only to be outclassed by a weapon which takes a couple of days to make and some people can't see the problem with this.

Then on top of that you have to do more trials to bring the relics upto level 90 these trials alone due to dynamis aspect take longer than it takes make a empy. It should be Relic or Mythic on top and Empyrean third. Hopefully at 99 it will be adjusted to be this way.

What really gets to me though is the people coming in here who don't have a relic and say that these weapons should not be in the same class as empyreans a lot of these people just come across as jealous or were used by a dynamis leader and are really twisted and bitter about that.

My relic is mandau and i have a twashtar aswell so i feel i have the right to say that the relic felt like a real achievement verus 5 days of doing some nms for the empyrean daggar. As for the currency price's maybe falling i think they are more than likley to stay the same price as more people try to upgrade same as when the glass prices dropped.

[Secondplanet]

Then the same can be said for anyone who has lvl 90 jobs these days, How many have gotten their jobs to lvl 90 the good old fashion way? why do you think matt's cap is a joke now? So when you say its not fair that people can make a better weapon in 2-3 days, then why is it fair that they can get lvl 90 in 1? The game has changed and it seems too many people mistaken Jealousy for being an old timer rocking in your chair on the front porch.

The game is majorly different from years ago. Either adjust or retire.

[Glamdring]

um, mythic/relic is upgradable via trials to generally stay with the top-tier weapons as it is. Gjallerhorn looks freaking AWESOME if upgraded to 90, and the only thing that does look a bit seedy is aegis, which SE already knows and intends to partially correct (since they actually seem to intend 2 awesome shileds depending on situation). They also intend to make your Sky/Salvage and a few other things upgradeable, too. The forum has been up less than 2 weeks, the game is shutdown for the majority of that time, and the updates are rolled back... with a damn good reason! Give them a chance!

It's also a vague possibility that SE doesn't want people to walk around as if they are under a permanent primeval brew effect, something about balance. There is research-industrywide-that shows that people quickly lose interest in a game if it is too easy. Your gear was excellent at 75, and if you want it to stay awesome as it is you don't have to do the limit break quests. If you do want to advance past it then it is only fair that you continue to upgrade that gear to maintain it's awesomeness.

[Michaeluk]

Huge diffrence between leveling jobs and getting a relic.

I think a lot of relic holders will quit if the situation isn't resolved by 99.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

DEVs please keep in mind that complainers are mearly the most vocal and do not for the most represent the views of the community at whole.

[Sarumansos]

My first comment on this subject regarding relics.

I obtained Aegis just days before the abyssea expansions were released..took years of farming and what not in order to make it that far and a great deal of help from alot of friends. I do believe that the effort put forth to obtain a relic should be rewarded by at least giving them options to be the best in the game via magian. An emp weapon obtained within a week or two should not outclass a relic by any means. I received the double slap by having pld become useless in abyssea. I do hope for a balance of jobs to be reborn as well as people who have worked for thier relics to be rewarded at least with chances for decent upgrades.

[MarkovChain]

Its the same with the relic weapons

No doing the level 20 smn fight in an extremely easy fight that is soloabe. Getting your subjobs items is harder. How can you compare this to a relic weapon ?