Suggestion: Restorable Relic/Mythic/Empyreal Weapons

[Kjara]

I support this with all my heart, we should ultimately get the chance to restore an accidentally dropped relic/mythic/empyrean weapon. I have met someone who had that happen unfortunately, and SE would do nothing for him. Since the game can obviously tell if you ever owned a certain item and when did you dispose of it, I don't see why a restoration service would be abused. Maybe do it a one-time only thing? But let it happen!

[Avina]

Can't you mail these weapons to other characters on the same account like you can other Rare/Ex items? That's the only situation where I can see this becoming an issue of abusing a restore function.

I really do think it should be possible to get back a dropped weapon though. I'd quit if I dropped a mythic.

Relics/Mythics/Empyrean weapons cannot be mailed to other characters on the same account per:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...count-Ex-Items

[katiekat]

oh i am not saying i dont think they can do it i am saying they will give sum lame reasin as to why they cant do it
to SE's way of looking at it they would rather have the persin remake it. that means mor time playing. its weard logic but i bet its why they wont.

[Logandor]

Hate to say it but I agree with Katiekat on the fact S.E. will rather have a person remake it then recover it for them. Mainly because looking at the money side S.E. would be gaining income from that player longer the person has to take to remake his lost item then simply recover it for them so they can move on.
I do though agree that the recovery system needs a look at in general. If your account get's hacked and they drop all your relic/emp/mythic weapons that is months if not a year or two of hard, diligent work down the drain. They say you get one auto recovery per account but if it has been used before for any reason your sol on getting lost weapons/gear. I believe that whole system needs a revamp and agree that what the op has stated ought to be implemented.

[Avina]

Mainly because looking at the money side S.E. would be gaining income from that player longer the person has to take to remake his lost item then simply recover it for them so they can move on.

Unless they quit the game over it... which many that have had this happen to have. I've heard too that the one-time restore thing doesn't even work sometimes (sometimes they just tell you that you are SOL)

[Demon6324236]

Unless they quit the game over it... which many that have had this happen to have. I've heard too that the one-time restore thing doesn't even work sometimes (sometimes they just tell you that you are SOL)

I cant blame those people, myself I have spent months on my Excalibur if I were to accidentally drop it or my Almace I would probably quit the same day if they wouldn't do anything. That or I would spam the GMs over and over again till I got it back or was banned anyways at which point I was forced to quit and lost nothing I wouldn't have already.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I suggested some kind of "mog lock" before. You place the item inside of it like a safe and you get a "lock copy" of it.

[larrymc]

There is zero technical difficulty in implementing an un-abusable, automatic, self-service recovery system for these weapons. It would be as simple as creating a new mog slip for relic/eph/mythic weapons - except when you take the weapon out of the slip - you get a "copy" of the weapon. This way, if you drop it accidentally, just get your slip and get another copy of it. Since these weapons cannot be transferred to mules or other accounts there is zero chance for abuse.

However, SE will never do this, as shown by their prior response to such requests - and even a recent very reasonable request for something simple as way to recover an accidentally fired rare/ex bullet for Quick Draw. Something that has a significantly smaller time investment than one of these weapons:

We understand that obtaining an Omphalos bullet is certainly not easy, but the high stats were set based on that factor and our stance is for players to take caution when changing out ammo, so we do not have plans of changing this.

This says it all. SE wants us players to treat these high value, rare/ex items, with extreme care and reverence. Making these items easily re-obtainable when dropped or fired makes them less "special" in SE's mind - which is why they will never implement any of these great recovery suggestions.

[Avina]

There is zero technical difficulty in implementing an un-abusable, automatic, self-service recovery system for these weapons. It would be as simple as creating a new mog slip for relic/eph/mythic weapons - except when you take the weapon out of the slip - you get a "copy" of the weapon. This way, if you drop it accidentally, just get your slip and get another copy of it. Since these weapons cannot be transferred to mules or other accounts there is zero chance for abuse.

However, SE will never do this, as shown by their prior response to such requests - and even a recent very reasonable request for something simple as way to recover an accidentally fired rare/ex bullet for Quick Draw. Something that has a significantly smaller time investment than one of these weapons:



This says it all. SE wants us players to treat these high value, rare/ex items, with extreme care and reverence. Making these items easily re-obtainable when dropped or fired makes them less "special" in SE's mind - which is why they will never implement any of these great recovery suggestions.

Well I think SE needs to re-evaluate their priorities and what they deem important. They lose players with their current strategy; that's less money in their pockets. It also is terrible for their reputation in the world of MMO.

I know this may be preaching to the choir, but SE needs to realize that this is an online game and not a single player game. These same errors may happen in single player games as well; dropping rare, not re-obtainable equipment. But, wow! We have save games we can revert to in that case.

Generally when you design a game you try to remove any single individual reason to force a player to quit. And while that may be their stance with regards to the Omphalos bullet, a relic/mythic/empyrean weapon is a completely different category altogether.

Even if SE were to allow rollbacks on their account in these events, that would be acceptable. They only allow that to happen though, if you are hacked, and they drag you through a long and painful process of recovering your account, and you may or may not get anything back in the end.

I think that in Final Fantasy XI were on its way out the door, this wouldn't be an issue worth discussing. But with the announcement of Seekers of Adoulin and the knowledge that Vana'diel still has a good chunk of life left in it, Square-Enix would do well to address concerns like these. Square-Enix no doubt is hoping for some people to resubscribe on to FFXI as Adoulin enters the scene, but honestly, those who left due to customer service dysfunction may never come back unless they see a change in the company's policies.

Back on topic: This is an easy fix, and when one, understandable human error on the player's part makes the difference between a player staying or leaving, a solution should be sought. Being able to lose these weapons permanently should for all intents and purposes be treated as a bug that should be remedied. When we boot up the game we are greeted with a friendly reminder not to let this game take our souls and neglect our real life.

It would be nice if Square-Enix would recognize the sacrifice that a player has to make in order to obtain one of these weapons, in some cases taking years of work to obtain, rather than shrugging when a player loses it all with one incorrect move.

[svengalis]

There should be some kind of option to not drop the weapon at all.