ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[Alukat]

3,8k SA + Mercy stroke outside of abyssea, i won xD

[wish12oz]

I used this for relic and this for empy. And no they are not the best the final difference is self explanitory as to why better sets won't change the ratio a lot.

1301 damage average
1834 damage average

Ragnarok
121 badedamage 90+68str 64+48mnd 62+25chr
121 158 112 87
(121+18+38+29)*3.28*1.73*1.25=1461
206 675.68 1168.9264 1461.158
1461 Average

Caladbolg
120 basedamage 90+73str 78+32vit
120 163 110
(120+19+56)*5.05*1.73=1703
195 984.75 1703.6175
1703 Average

Why is it that when I use your pdif value, and my characters stats with your sets my numbers are so much different than yours? Not that either of these sets are optimal, I'm just pointing out that you must of done something wrong cause my torcleaver isn't that far ahead of scourge, like 15%, not 40% =3

[MarkovChain]

I corrected an error and used your values for base mnd/chr. Also you forgot the +15 vit on the empy. I now find the empy 20% better. Give me a hitrate and I will ajust the food and the ws gear on both gear to still make it that much different. Although I bet they both are getting innate ws accuracy boost...

[wish12oz]

I corrected an error and used your values for base mnd/chr. Also you forgot the +15 vit on the empy. I now find the empy 20% better. Give me a hitrate and I will ajust the food and the ws gear on both gear to still make it that much different. Although I bet they both are getting innate ws accuracy boost...

WS accuracy will be 95%, both are simple 1 hit WSs.
TP accuracy will not be. If you look at my accuracy doing voidwatch the other day, I had 85%, on warrior, which wears about 50 more acc in gear then my drk.
I could shrink that damage gap between WS's further if I cared to look into gear for ragnarok and try to find out what to use, but I don't. The question was 'When is Ragnarok better' the answer is 'When you need the accuracy, or if the crit rate increase on it is above 30% it stands a very good chance of being better' And with the standard DRK TP set not really having any accuracy, I'd say there's a good chance Ragnarok would pull ahead at 99 all the time regardless of whether or not SE adjusts it any further, since accuracy will be an issue and actually matter again like it did at 75 cap.

And really, the only real problem here honestly, is that Torcleaver has better WS gear. If they had the same WSC stats/da/pdif/etc Scourge would win. So it's not that Scourge is worse, its that it has inferior WS gear, so it needs to try and make up for that in the TP phase to win.

[Atomic_Skull]

Ragnarok
121 badedamage 90+68str 64+48mnd 62+25chr
121 158 112 87
(121+18+38+29)*3.28*1.73*1.25=1461
206 675.68 1168.9264 1461.158
1461 Average

Caladbolg
120 basedamage 90+73str 78+32vit
120 163 110
(120+19+56)*5.05*1.73=1703
195 984.75 1703.6175
1703 Average

Why is it that when I use your pdif value, and my characters stats with your sets my numbers are so much different than yours? Not that either of these sets are optimal, I'm just pointing out that you must of done something wrong cause my torcleaver isn't that far ahead of scourge, like 15%, not 40% =3

STR 91+79
VIT 78+51
Attack 759 (did not use Last Resort)
Level 85 Caladbolg (still gathering hearts)

Went out and used Torcleaver 10x on Seabord Vultures. after 10 WS there didn't seem any point to continuing because the damage hardly varied.

First number is TP, second is WS damage.

103 / 2045
126 / 2155
108 / 2351
102 / 2279
118 / 2216
120 / 2353
100 / 2310
124 / 2159
109 / 2355
121 / 2431

And with the standard DRK TP set not really having any accuracy

My DRK tp set has +34 ACC +26% haste.

[wish12oz]

STR 91+79
VIT 78+51
Attack 759 (did not use Last Resort)
Level 85 Caladbolg (still gathering hearts)

Went out and used Torcleaver 10x on Seabord Vultures. after 10 WS there didn't seem any point to continuing because the damage hardly varied.

First number is TP, second is WS damage.

103 / 2045
126 / 2155
108 / 2351
102 / 2279
118 / 2216
120 / 2353
100 / 2310
124 / 2159
109 / 2355
121 / 2431

Which is right where damage should be if your attack is capped. And I dunno anything about those birds, except that they probably have low defense.
I mean if you look at your stats, theyre slightly above what I did the math for earlier, so you're looking at like
215*5.05*2.2=2388.65
Maybe you should figure out what the mobs stats are before you go assuming that it has some hidden effect no one knew about when they figured out the WS properties, to me it just looks like you have capped attack.

My DRK tp set has +34 ACC +26% haste.

So you dont use aces hose, calc trousers, aces shoes, etc, you give all that up for acc? With a Ragnarok you wouldn't have to.

[Unctgtg]

I will just wait til august to see what our trial is and how much of an increase it is. I am done bitching and complaining about it.

[Karbuncle]

I will just wait til august to see what our trial is and how much of an increase it is. I am done bitching and complaining about it.

I hope they increase Mandau by more than 1 base dmg

[Unctgtg]

I have a feeling I will be swinging a 150 damage weapon with 40 Acc and another 50% WS boost

[MarkovChain]

Which is right where damage should be if your attack is capped. And I dunno anything about those birds, except that they probably have low defense..

You don't cap attack on anything that is decent challenge or high easy prey at 90. If he capped with 759 attack that would mean the mob had 759/2.2=345 DEF which puts them on mamoolja levels so nope. The high numbers on his weapon skills are due to no level correction, period. If you redo the maths I did in post #603 with no correction you get 2140 instead of 1782 average. For the info a capped attack torcleaver on level <= 90 mobs would average ~2600 with the gear I gave which is probably not very elitist.