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  1. #241
    Player Atomic_Skull's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthera View Post
    No, they won't be superior because they said they'd increase Relics and Mythics to be as strong as Empereans, as well as equally easy to get.
    They actually said that they planned on balancing the difficulty between relics and mythics. The only mention of Empyreans was in a previous paragraph where they said they were aware that Empyreans were stronger than Relics. They didn't say anything about making Relics easier to get and judging by the Dynamis changes I doubt that is the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
    They actually said that they planned on balancing the difficulty between relics and mythics. The only mention of Empyreans was in a previous paragraph where they said they were aware that Empyreans were stronger than Relics.
    I don't follow what you're getting at. If it is still your contention that Relics and Mythics are not worthwhile because they aren't as strong as Empereans, they are in fact going to make Relics and Mythics as strong as Empereans, as follows:...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gildrein View Post


    In regards to that balance issue, we are planning to make adjustments. We plan to create a higher level of balance by strengthening both Relic and Mythic weapons...
    Now, as for your second misunderstanding, as follows:...

    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
    They didn't say anything about making Relics easier to get...
    Yes, they did, as follows:...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gildrein View Post
    we are also planning to make adjustments to both the time and cost required to create...Relic and Mythic weapons.
    Now then, back to your original query, which I didn't really answer, as follows:...
    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
    why should they make them easier? They already have a set of easy to obtain super weapons
    The reason is that they want to keep content playable and relevant because it gives us reasons to keep playing, which is a good thing. There are still good pieces of AF2 here and there, and so the currency should still have a purpose as well, or what is it for? As for Mythics, there is so much content related to meeting all the quest requirements. They can keep using all that content without modification by simply upgrading the Weapons themselves, which shouldn't be that difficult to re-code. Furthermore, they should make it easier just because the Mythic requirements are just bonkers. There just aren't that many of them out there compared to Empereans and even Relics, and some people, including myself, are still working on them to this day.

    That's why.
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  3. #243
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    the only point I see where Empyreans are more powerful, is because the WS are more powerful. The stats on the weapons themselves seem pretty well balanced.
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    I wouldn't be against making all Relic/Mythic/Empyrean be equally powerful and just as equally easy to obtain. That way there would be some variety in different endgame weapons you see out there, instead of just every NIN having a Kannagi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilk View Post
    the only point I see where Empyreans are more powerful, is because the WS are more powerful. The stats on the weapons themselves seem pretty well balanced.

    Yea, this actually seems like the main issue. When it comes to weapons like Gungnir and Ryunohige, I would say the stats on the Lv90 versions of those, blow Rhongomiant out of the water. Even with Ryunohige having less DMG, it seems better than Rhongomiant, since the Aftermath of getting to attack twice seems better, because then you could possibly crit each of those two hits.

    Although I could be wrong, because I'm not a "Min/Max'er" and I don't do rigid math (I prefer to enjoy my games, not treat them like homework lol), so please forgive me.
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    Last edited by Akujima; 05-20-2011 at 07:15 PM.
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    welcome to "occasionally does double damage" outside a few of the ws being vastly superior the rest aren't. the 30,40,50% dealing double dmg is the killer for empy. Relic/Mythic need something to equalize this out or they'll never compete.
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    Seriously....dodge after dodge. It has now been two weeks. Can we have a response please? Waiting patiently for the next round of responses to threads only to end in disappointment that this thread got ignored again. We just want a status on when to expect implementation since it was expected in the 5/9 update which did not happen ; ;
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  7. #247
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akujima View Post
    I wouldn't be against making all Relic/Mythic/Empyrean be equally powerful and just as equally easy to obtain. That way there would be some variety in different endgame weapons you see out there, instead of just every NIN having a Kannagi.
    This is actually impossible, unless they make them all exactly the same, but with different graphics and names. If they are different at all, and the same effort is required for any of them, the players will find the best one, and everyone will get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiba View Post
    Seriously....dodge after dodge. It has now been two weeks. Can we have a response please?
    Lack of a response in and of itself is a response, it means something to the effect of "No, go away."

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiba View Post
    We just want a status on when to expect implementation since it was expected in the 5/9 update which did not happen ; ;
    You should expect them to work on having the weapons balanced for the level 99 cap, not the 90/95 cap.
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    Last edited by wish12oz; 05-20-2011 at 09:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wish12oz View Post
    This is actually impossible, unless they make them all exactly the same, but with different graphics and names. If they are different at all, and the same effort is required for any of them, the players will find the best one, and everyone will get it.
    Dude, nobody cares about fractions and barely noticeable percentages. Just make them equally powerful AND with different stats, then for every situation that arises one will slightly top the other (key word being SLIGHTLY).
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  9. #249
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    Kiba I am in your boat, I am awaiting the big response from them. I bet you they are waiting until August when we go to 95 and they boost it huge. But an answer will be nice, because frankly we aren't going away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unctgtg View Post
    Kiba I am in your boat, I am awaiting the big response from them. I bet you they are waiting until August when we go to 95 and they boost it huge. But an answer will be nice, because frankly we aren't going away.
    With the total number of relic weapons that are being completed up to these days (so little comparing to emp) I don't know if SE will really do it just to benefit the tiny little group of people.

    I hope I'm wrong.
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