Yes Timed Pop Notorious Monsters In New Expansion

[wish12oz]

5. These people make posts here, and then make fun of people's reactions to those posts over at www.bluegartrls.com in a thread entitled "The Official Forums: Nuked" in the "Media" section of the Final Fantasy 11 forums.

If anyone cares to refute these sad truths, be my guest.

Last time this topic came up on BG pretty much everyone was against the idea of allowing bots back into the game and allowing them to have dominance over which LS you want to join. So basically, BG is anti-24hour+ NMs. Dont believe me? well, maybe you should read BG yourself instead of just acting like you know about it.

To back up my claims I present to you this thread/poll on BG:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/104...d-spawn-NM-HNM
The winner with almost 50% of the votes is "You can't be serious. All world spawns will be botted." Which shows just how much distaste the BG community has for bots and world spawns.

Note: The player invented the use and the nickname HNM not the company. So understanding your own "H" that you're using in HNM is half the battle.

Back in the day we called them Hyper Notorious Monsters, I dunno why that lame webpage says High.

P.S. I kinda feel like I should gouge my eyes out for agreeing with Rosina, I hate all of you.

[Tunasushi]

Last time this topic came up on BG pretty much everyone was against the idea of allowing bots back into the game and allowing them to have dominance over which LS you want to join. So basically, BG is anti-24hour+ NMs. Dont believe me? well, maybe you should read BG yourself instead of just acting like you know about it.

To back up my claims I present to you this thread/poll on BG:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/104...d-spawn-NM-HNM
The winner with almost 50% of the votes is "You can't be serious. All world spawns will be botted." Which shows just how much distaste the BG community has for bots and world spawns.



Back in the day we called them Hyper Notorious Monsters, I dunno why that lame webpage says High.

P.S. I kinda feel like I should gouge my eyes out for agreeing with Rosina, I hate all of you.

Why would you link to that thread?

If anything, it shows there IS as desire for them.

Theres no question a larger percentage of people didnt enjoy hnms, but you're delusional if you don't notice the numbers and percentages of people who do.

90% OF PEOPLE, don't/didn't want more voidwatch either. Saying "xxx amount of people don't want this" is not a good enough reason to warrant not putting something reasonable in a game, if there is are people who enjoy it. Reward is a non-issue, as said.

That was not a good example at all to use. All that thread shows is 1 in 4 people do want new world nms/HNMs..

[Rosina]

Why would you link to that thread?

If anything, it shows there IS as desire for them.

Theres no question a larger percentage of people didnt enjoy hnms, but you're delusional if you don't notice the numbers and percentages of people who do.

90% OF PEOPLE, don't/didn't want more voidwatch either. Saying "xxx amount of people don't want this" is not a good enough reason to warrant not putting something reasonable in a game, if there is are people who enjoy it. Reward is a non-issue, as said.

That was not a good example at all to use. All that thread shows is 1 in 4 people do want new world nms/HNMs..

Yes that is due to fighting large/ hard creatures is fun. But who is to say they want them on the 24 hour timer? You can have the content with out the timer... you do realise this right?

[Siviard]

I think you're all missing the point here.

Regardless of the fact that, according to a thread on BlueGartr, "the winner with almost 50% of the votes is "You can't be serious. All world spawns will be botted."" the fact of the matter is, there WILL be those who support World Spawn NMs/HNMs and THEY WILL BE BOTTED HEAVILY!

Even if it was only 5% of the entire FFXI playing population that supported all world spawns, all it takes is those 5% (I'm using a random % btw) to ruin it for everyone else.

[Tunasushi]

Yes that is due to fighting large/ hard creatures is fun. But who is to say they want them on the 24 hour timer? You can have the content with out the timer... you do realise this right?

Did you read the thread title? Did you read the poll options?

Can't help but assume no, because the thread isa clearly titled world monsters.

I think the majority of people who don't want world monsters are afraid of being excluded, AND HONESTLY, I HAVE A GREAT DISDAIN FOR WHINERS or players who think they are entitled.

I'm really happy for the top shells and groups that conquer legion, neo einherjar odin, and neo nyzul. Call me elitest if you want, but the only thing worst than a dude who will do whatever it takes to beat someone, not included to scamming and cheating, is a whining casual who wants things dumbed down for his or her playtime/capabilities.

I don't think some of you get it. The only thing missing from 99 cap from 75 cap when endgame is concerned is competition. The drops are still incresdbily rare, and you still need a larger group to defeat the most difficult content. You are already excluded if you're a whiner and too casual.

I can't stress the facts enough that abyssea did not revive ffxi, just as many quit during it, as they did come back, it evened out. The only thing that improved was the morales of the player base. When cheating and gil was obselete, which isn't the case now that we are recapped. Abyssea was never endgame, it was filler content.

Abyssea reward-ratio content will never be endgame, get over it. HNMs may never return but the games sense of social climbing in stronger/larger groups is and will be primarily what ffxi endgame is about.

In case you haven'tnoticed, SE doesn't devolope content based on what "people DON'T want" they give what people "Do what" IF ANYTHING. They don't care what you DON'T want, especially when their are others who do want it.

Enjoy the content you do like, and stop complaining about content that doesn't effect you: the content you cannot do.

In case you all missed the memo, the new expansion is geared towards bringing back OLD PLAYERS and retaining them. It's not going to be something that geared towards bringing in new players or fleshing out content you can finish in a week.

You're delusional if you think SE is going to add massive zones and not fill them with notorious monsters that spawn in the real game environment.

I love competition, please bring back long spawn world hnms, and support stronger groups of players who are dedicated to the game and support it without the need for filler content.

[Demon6324236]

I think it is becoming clear more and more of the people who want HNMs cant read posts, because they give replies that have nothing to do with the question they are meant to answer. The question was... what is good about 20+ hour respawn times? So far your answers have stated random opinions or facts, but nothing pertaining to this at all so far as I have seen.

[Trisscar]

I think it is becoming clear more and more of the people who want HNMs cant read posts, because they give replies that have nothing to do with the question they are meant to answer. The question was... what is good about 20+ hour respawn times? So far your answers have stated random opinions or facts, but nothing pertaining to this at all so far as I have seen.

So far as I read it, their argument is that 20+ hour spawns (which have been demonstrated require very little in the way of skill and effort) will somehow weed out 'noobs' and 'casuals' in a way that Voidwatch/Aby HNM (which all require you having all your relevant skills skilled, be able to read/know/relate/exploit weaknesses, have half way decent gear, etc, etc) can't. In other words they're lazy scum.

And yeah, I used a broad brush there. Deal with it.

[DangerousCalled]

I remember old days once ppl camping faf/Nid
I just log in to complete my yesterday stuffs , My LS called me Faf window Open ...

After losing 3h of camp , we lost the claim ...

then we got run Bahmut V2 > Omega

got canceled because KB might pop while half LS getting Tod of Adman/aspi

My day just lost coz its just Behe not the KB poped & here my day lost 8h for camping...

WHAT DAMN WASTE OF TIME

in 4 h enough to farm 5-10 pieces of Emp wpn...
in 2h enough to pop 6-12 VW
another 2h left to do Dynims/Ein/Leigon / etc run

even as LS its gonna be sux when cancel his run for camp HNMs

ofc I would love to c New type HNM as Kings @ new land , but plz by new method
our Hours is gold we can't play 8h a day like befor.

[Rosina]

@ Tunasushi
You didn't read any of my posts did you..... Guess not. What that wall of page you nicely typed has no refernce to anything I typed at all. But in all seriousness. HNM do not need to be on a 24-48 hour timer. They can be force pop'ed or if you want a timer so bad how about time of vanadiel day. Much like hati in kon. highlands. once a real life day timers are iffy, can turn random rather quickly and exclude many time zones. Remember ffxi is global, not regional. And the current hnm got changed for a reason.

Content is content. It should be accessable to any and all players at any given time. That is the ideals of the mmorpg genre.
This is soley about doing said content not the possible reward.
Due to the iffy-ness of hnm I barely saw them. I was always sleeping. Even under 20hr game session, or id be doing something else. I see no point in wasting my time going to every hnm soawn point to see if it may or may not be there wait 12 hrs at each spot just incase it may spawn.

[Camiie]

I think the majority of people who don't want world monsters are afraid of being excluded, AND HONESTLY, I HAVE A GREAT DISDAIN FOR WHINERS or players who think they are entitled.

I'm really happy for the top shells and groups that conquer legion, neo einherjar odin, and neo nyzul. Call me elitest if you want, but the only thing worst than a dude who will do whatever it takes to beat someone, not included to scamming and cheating, is a whining casual who wants things dumbed down for his or her playtime/capabilities.

Don't you think the pro-HNM crowd are guilty of the same line of thinking? They're whining that their preferred style of play is no longer supported. They want endgame to be dumbed down to their level of play where the only real challenge is who has the best ping time, bot program and/or trigger finger. Ultimately that was the only real challenge in the world of HNM unless the other groups decided to try to MPK.

I don't think some of you get it. The only thing missing from 99 cap from 75 cap when endgame is concerned is competition. The drops are still incredibly rare, and you still need a larger group to defeat the most difficult content.

If competition is what's most important to you then you should be all over Ballista, Brenner, and the new Play-As-Monster system. If it's really about competition then these events would be overflowing with you guys, but they're not are they? Because these things are REAL competition that you can't luck or bot your way through, and there's nothing shiny at the end that makes you feel special.

You are already excluded if you're a whiner and too casual.

I seem to recall there were PLENTY of whiners in the world of HNM, so they really weren't ever excluded. If there were no whiners there would have been no drama, and many of you would never have gotten your jollies from the HNM scene.

I love competition, please bring back long spawn world hnms, and support stronger groups of players who are dedicated to the game and support it without the need for filler content.

Calling HNM competition is like George Jetson calling his 3 hours a day of pushing one button a job.